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= September 20 =

02:21, 20 September 2023 review of submission by Naniu9hei
I work in the Taiwan film industry and recently read Jake Pollock’s Chinese Wikipedia page. I felt that it hadn’t been updated recently and took it upon myself to edit the page. Afterwards, I decided to create an English entry to complement the original Chinese entry.

I voluntarily created this page, but I also understand the requirements of Wikipedia’s term of use, and I didn't see the template of Connected contributor, so I took your advice , and I’ve updated my user page. Please let me know if there's anything else I need to do for approval. Thanks for your time and attention. Naniu9hei (talk) 02:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

03:27, 20 September 2023 review of submission by Poodle drool
What is a good way to document notability when information is behind a paywall? For example the page I am working on has had a review in the Wall Street Journal, but that is not free/accessible. Similarly there is a good biography page in an database that is not free. Poodle drool (talk) 03:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there Poodle drool, paywalled articles contribute to notability the same way unpaywalled articles does, please see WP:PAYWALL. There is no requirement for sources to be free/accessible.  Just ' i ' yaya  03:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Great--thanks for the response. That was helpful in trying to figure things out. Poodle drool (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

08:53, 20 September 2023 review of submission by HiAariv
Hello,

My draft title is Tyron Munro, but his actual name his TYRONE MUNRO,

how do I change it

thank you HiAariv (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The specific title is not important right now- you may just leave a note on the draft talk page so that, if accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. Note that Wikipedia does not necessarily use official or legal names, or the name preferred by the subject- it uses as a title the most commonly used name.  See WP:COMMONNAME. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

11:09, 20 September 2023 review of submission by Samdodd82
Hello, the Wikipedia page I created was rejected. I understand that the page was overly promotional and have rewritten its contents to make it neutral for everyone who reads it. I believe the information provided on this page is worthy of a Wikipedia page. There are many other real estate companies, larger and smaller which already have Wikipedia pages. Please have another look at my submission. I will be very grateful if you can tell me how I can further improve it. Thank you for your time. Samdodd82 (talk) 11:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Samdodd82: it's not enough for the draft to not be promotional, and it's not enough for the company to exist; we need to also see that the subject is notable in Wikipedia terms, which means citing multiple sources that meet the WP:GNG standard for establishing notability.
 * And whether or not articles exist on other companies is not relevant; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

11:14, 20 September 2023 review of submission by HiAariv
Hello, Can you please delete the "Draft:Tyron Munro and not the Draft:Tyrone Munro one. I made a mistake on his name. So can you please delete the draft Draft:Tyron Munro and NOT Draft:Tyrone Munro.

HiAariv (talk) 11:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @HiAariv: this is not the place for requesting deletion. Assuming you're the only editor to have created substantive content in these drafts, you can request deletion yourself, by either blanking the draft that you want deleted, or placing the tag on top of the page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

12:17, 20 September 2023 review of submission by Wikiuser8787
Please check this article I'm trying to create this article iv got multiple notable sources and it keeps getting rejected from the same reason that this artist does not eligible for an article even though it got multiple sources (14) that most of them are in depth coverages for his album Draft:decreek Wikiuser8787 (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Wikiuser8787: this draft has been declined by four different reviewers, each time for lack of apparent notability, which is demonstrated through sources. Since the last decline, you've deleted one source, and resubmitted. Can you help me understand how that could possibly help establish notability? Please note that no draft gets infinite chances, and after four earlier declines (and a fifth one being only a matter of time), this is starting to get to the point where it may be rejected outright. So if I were you, I wouldn't want to risk those remaining reviews. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed that i published the same source twice so i removed it.
 * And i also added a few sentences that obviously shows notability
 * i dont understand how can 13 different source that most of them in depth coverage articles doesnt meet notability Wikiuser8787 (talk) 12:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wikiuser8787: it's not the number of sources that matters, but their quality; three solid sources may be enough to establish notability, whereas 13 weak ones aren't. I've just gone through the sources in this draft, and I couldn't find one that meets the WP:GNG standard for notability.
 * Also, don't confuse the notability of the person with that of some of his music: you say "My Story has got the attention of multiple music magazines" – that may help make My Story notable, but notability is not inherited or transferred by association. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I see
 * so basically i came here to send you to the article so you can decline as well.
 * This community is really funny
 * You all doing whatever you like
 * i bet if someone will pay some amount to get an article done you would accept it under the table and approve his article.
 * Seems like i chose the wrong topic:Music Which was always matter of money and corruption
 * Lucky i didnt choose politics as well.
 * Another corrupted reviewer who does what he likes.
 * Im done here. Wikiuser8787 (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wikiuser8787: I would advice you not to hurl around personal attacks and accusations, or you may soon find that you are, indeed, "done here". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You just want to make new users edits very hard even though the articles and the sources are eligible for creation.
 * I bet if you were the one publishing this article it would get approved in no time.
 * Oh no please dont block me from this corrupted community please dont Wikiuser8787 (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wikiuser8787: it's interesting how well you know what is or isn't notable, considering that your editing career is less than a month long. Or have you edited under different accounts previously? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Finally we can see the true colors behind the review you and the other gave to my article "Considering that your editing career is less than a month long"
 * im a fast learner. and dont worry this article will get approve sooner or later but it would probably need to come from the right user not from me.
 * You said "My Story" is eligible by itself i guess that means if ill create a an article only for the album you wouldn't've take pleasure in declining it would you? Wikiuser8787 (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Wikiuser8787. I am an independent reviewer and have not looked at your draft before today. I will go through your sources one by one:
 * 1) This looks to be regurgitating a press release, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 2) This looks to be regurgitating a press release, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 3) This is an interview, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 4) This is just a link to an embedded music video? Not sure how it is relevant, but the video is primary so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 5) This works as a source
 * 6) This source seems to be malformed- it's just a link to a random assortment of articles with a tag?
 * 7) This is an interview, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 8) This is an interview, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 9) A trivial source that provides no analysis, interpretation, or context and is just an announcement of a track, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 10) A trivial source that provides no analysis, interpretation, or context and is just an announcement of a music video, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 11) A trivial source that provides no analysis, interpretation, or context and is just an announcement of a music video, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 12) A trivial source that provides no analysis, interpretation, or context and is just an announcement of a music video, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * 13) A trivial source that provides no analysis, interpretation, or context and is just an announcement of a music video, so doesn't count towards the WP:NMUSIC criteria
 * If you now check the WP:NMUSIC criteria, I hope you can see how your draft with it's current sources does not pass the guidelines stated there.
 * Let me know if you have any questions,  Qcne  (talk)  16:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft deleted, user indeffed as sock. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

16:18, 20 September 2023 review of submission by GDevincenzi
I'd like to delete my submission. GDevincenzi (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've added a deletion tag.  Qcne  (talk)  16:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

18:38, 20 September 2023 review of submission by MKD789
I want Public my article MKD789 (talk) 18:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @MKD789: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further.
 * And please don't open multiple threads here, this is a help desk, not Twitter. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)