Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 September 21

= September 21 =

03:48, 21 September 2023 review of submission by Iamjep1987
I have made some changes on the bio. Can you please let me know what I am lacking for this to be approved as an article of a living person in wiki. aside from the documentation what else should i include and not. Iamjep1987 (talk) 03:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Iamjep1987: this draft has been rejected as non-notable, and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * can we request to delete the article and create a new one? Iamjep1987 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been deleted. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

04:58, 21 September 2023 review of submission by ManaliJain
Draft:Babil Khan was rejected more than six months ago due to notability issues. I kindly request that this matter be reviewed. Thank you. ManaliJain (talk) 04:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm unable to resubmit it for AfC review since it has already been rejected. I tried approaching the last reviewer by posting a message on their talk page, but I haven't received a response yet. Furthermore, their last contribution was four months ago, indicating their inactivity.
 * The draft has undergone significant improvements since its last submission, which was poorly written earlier. It has now been constructed and meets the guidelines including WP:ENT, WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV.


 * @ManaliJain: firstly, you contacted the rejecting reviewer only a week ago. Yes, you're right, they haven't been active recently, but I'm not aware that they've retired, either. Perhaps you can just wait a bit longer – or are you in a particular hurry to get this draft looked at?
 * Another thing: you have extended confirmed rights, so if you're confident that the article wouldn't be deleted, you can of course publish this yourself; not advisable, but allowed (assuming you don't have a conflict of interest?). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand your point about the rejecting reviewer's recent inactivity, and I'm open to waiting a bit longer for their response. I'm not in a particular hurry.
 * Regarding the possibility of publishing the article myself with extended confirmed rights, I appreciate the reminder. While it's technically allowed, but since the draft was rejected earlier, I wanted to follow the standard review process to ensure the article meets the community's standards and addresses any concerns or feedback from the initial review.
 * Lastly, I don't have a conflict of interest in this matter. I am committed to contributing to Wikipedia in a neutral and impartial manner. My primary motivation for wanting the draft to be published is because I believe it addresses a notable subject that adds value to Wikipedia's content. Thank you. ManaliJain (talk) 13:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

06:24, 21 September 2023 review of submission by Baruch Benedictus Spinoza
I would like to know how to improve this page to get it accepted as an article. Baruch Benedictus Spinoza (talk) 06:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * This sounds like it would be more appropriate as a category instead of a list article. There needs to be some evidence in independent reliable sources that this(Jewish leadership of international organizations) is a topic of note. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I assumed until I read 331dot's comment that this must mean "leaders of Jewish international organizations".
 * Now that I have read it, I would argue that the whole thing is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. WP:OCEGRS says Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic. While that is talking about categories, I think this should apply to list articles as well, though the nearest thing I can find on that specifically is WP:BLPLIST. (It's complicated in the case of "Jewish", because that can refer to ethnicity, religion, or culture, and they don't always go together). ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

07:08, 21 September 2023 review of submission by BhikhariInformer
I want to modify the name of the page from "Manush (film)" to "Manush: Child of Destiny". But I cannot find any option to do it. Is there any way to do it or should I make another draft with the correct title by just copying all the info from my this draft ? BhikhariInformer (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @BhikhariInformer: it doesn't matter what title the draft is at, it will be moved anyway if/when accepted. And no, you very much should not create another draft on the same topic. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In that case I would submit the draft with the title it has now. BhikhariInformer (talk) 07:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

07:18, 21 September 2023 review of submission by BhikhariInformer
I have attached all possible primary and secondary sources of information with this article. There are no other articles left on the internet to attach to this.

The other Filmfare Awards Bangla before this 6th one have their pages on Wikipedia with a meagre of 5 citation or even just 1 citation. Compared to them, I have attached more citations including the Filmfare official website, which is the organisation providing the awards and hence is reliable.

Also, since it is the largest Film Awards in the Bengali film industry and all its early versions have pages, I would request to publish this page or else kindly help me and let me know what more can I do to improve this article. BhikhariInformer (talk) 07:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * If this is all the sources that are available, then this subject does not merit a Wikipedia article. Based just on your description, it sounds like none of the other occurrences of this awards ceremony merit articles either. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The other articles are indeed very poorly referenced. I've tagged them for notability; they should probably be deleted at some point, if better sources don't appear. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

09:04, 21 September 2023 review of submission by Wwarodom
Dear Sirs, I have updated our Wiki page following comments, do I miss somethings or need to edit?

Best regards, Asst.Prof. Dr. Warodom Werapun Wwarodom (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * If you are associated with this college, you must read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Wikipedia does not have "wiki pages", it has articles.
 * Your draft article was rejected, and will not be considered further. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 09:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

09:09, 21 September 2023 review of submission by Maqi123
Kindly can you please tell me about the particular issue i have to resolve on this? Maqi123 (talk) 09:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The reviewer informed you of the issue at the top of your draft, both in the decline message and a personal comment below it. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Your first two references are to interviews, so are his words. The third does not even mention him, and the fourth has a single paragraph (and I'm not sure it's a reliable source: it seems to invite readers to "submit your article"). There is therefore almost nothing cited on which an article can be based.
 * I see that the Reviewit.pk paragraph says Umer Darr’s acting is being praised as the ASI Ilyas in the recent hit drama serial Kabli Pulao. Where? If there are reviews in major newspapers or magazines (with a reputable editorial policy), they may be enough to establish notability. ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

09:50, 21 September 2023 review of submission by OndrejKotek23
Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia. I would like to really publish my content becasue in the Czechia there is a lot of misunderstanding in this industry. Me myself I have scalp micropigmentation and many of people suffer becasue of they do not visit professionals in the industry. My goal is to give people valid information about the technique so they know what they will undergo.

Please can you tell me what do I have to do to get my article in Czech wikipedia validated by editor.

Tahnk you so much

Kind regards,

Ondre j OndrejKotek23 (talk) 09:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @OndrejKotek23: this is the English-language Wikipedia, and all the various language versions are entirely separate projects, so you would have to go to the Czech one and enquire there. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft. It is in Czech; you need to translate it to English.  That said, we already have an article about this topic at permanent makeup. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

11:40, 21 September 2023 review of submission by 196.118.152.188
hello can i Know why my article was rejected thank you 196.118.152.188 (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Because, as mentioned already, per WP:NOTGUIDE Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a guidebook or manual. (Also, please don't add links to your own website, they are considered promotional.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

16:35:37, 21 September 2023 review of draft by TeslaTruck
I want to Add WikiProject tag "WikiProject Synthesizers" to Draft:Kodamo but the Synthesizers tag is not available at the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Add_WikiProject_tags?withJS=MediaWiki:AFC-add-project-tags.js&title=Draft:Kodamo though clearly shown at the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Directory/All TeslaTruck (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @TeslaTruck: you're right, that template doesn't seem to exist. In any case, there's probably not much point in adding it, as the WikiProject Synthesizers is inactive (the last edit to its talk page was in 2015) so you're unlikely to get much input from them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you ! TeslaTruck (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

18:39, 21 September 2023 review of submission by SEEZASAROJ
Need Support too publish Biography Article

Sorry if i am asking basics, i am new to Wikipedia article creation, pls help with your specifics inputs/actions.

1.Do you want me to attach all the references available on Google about Seeza Or 1-2 more to qualify? 2.Do you want me to attach external references like Instagram & Facebook, where media tagging is there? 3.What is considered as independent sources, i have attached News references, independent media references who has published article about Seeza, which as per my knowledge should qualify independent coverage category? SEEZASAROJ (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * It's not the quantity of sources that is relevant, but the quality. Few high quality sources are preferable to a large number of low quality sources.  You have not established that this person meets the definition of a notable actor or the broader definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @SEEZASAROJ: I should also add that you have not yet explained your relationship to the subject of this draft, despite this having been requested. You're writing about someone named Seeza Saroj Mehta, and your username is SEEZASAROJ. This suggests an obvious connection. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thanks for the response. Not sure where i missed it, Seeza is my daughter. She has played a significant role in worldwide released movie and i have added citation of various renowned News Medias and Entertainment websites (DNA News, Bolywood Bubble, Shoutstar, Times of India (released 20.09), and other places - search on Google with 'Seeza Saroj Mehta'). Before this movie, she has been doing Ad films since last couple of years, released at national level Or on Digital platforms - videos can be searched on YouTube using 'Seeza Mehta Worklinks'.
 * I am also associated with IT field and i can very well understand the need of validating references before publicizing the articles. But i also feel the same 1-2 good links should be sufficient to proof the notibility. What i am missing to understand the issues with shared links [ first 3 are independent media references, last 2 are mentions/blogs ]. Let me know if you are looking for something specific in cited references ? I can also add YouTube links, Instagram ID, Facebook ID for reference if that can help.
 * Really looking for good inputs here ... information place around wikipedia is little unstructured and finding it difficult to address the concerns if not getting specifics from the Reviers of the Article.
 * Thanks in advance, Hardas Mehta
 * SEEZASAROJ (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You must formally declare your conflict of interest on your user page, see WP:COI for instructions. If you act as her agent or manager and are compensated for that role, you must declare as a paid editor. You've been given specifics- please tell us specifically how your daughter meets WP:NACTOR. You must provide and summarize sources that discuss your daughter and what makes her important/significant/influential. You mention praise she received, but do not discuss it in detail. 331dot (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , the final sentence of your draft says that her performance in Jawan was, and there are two references to film reviews. That statement is incorrect, and the reviews mention her only in passing, with no assessment of her acting whatsoever. Cullen328 (talk) 00:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

20:14, 21 September 2023 review of submission by DWBarbour
Hey there. I submitted the above page about the poet David Young. I was told 'This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I can't tell which sources are unreliable, since everything is vetted with an actual source. Can you advise? Is it merely a matter of cutting something? Thanks. DWBarbour (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It would help if you formatted your sources correctly, see WP:REFB for help with that. Theroadislong (talk) 20:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like you copied this text from elsewhere? I see footnotes but no references. 331dot (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

22:25, 21 September 2023 review of submission by 2600:1002:B01E:E59E:E966:44AA:313B:2F3C
Hello,

I submitted a Wikipedia page about the author Brittney Morris and it was deleted. I would like it to be posted. Please tell me why it was deleted and what I need to do to get it posted? 2600:1002:B01E:E59E:E966:44AA:313B:2F3C (talk) 22:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Brittney Morris has not been deleted. An entirely unrefenced one sentence draft about a living person violates multiple policies, and cannot possibly be accepted into the encyclopedia. Please read and study Your first article. If you are User: ThesaurusRexcellent, then please log in before editing. Cullen328 (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

23:22, 21 September 2023 review of submission by Mackeymmm
Please delete my draft Matthew_Eric_Mackey as this was rejected by Wikipedia and hence not the property of Wikipedia. Thank-you! Also, please delete my draft: Quantum Space-Time Theory from your records as this is also not the property of Wikipedia. Thank-you! Mackeymmm (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your "not the property" statement is incorrect. Whenever you click the "Publish changes" button, you agree that WP:G7 allows you to request deletion of any page where you are the only substantial author. Place  at the top of any such page. Cullen328 (talk) 00:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Cullen328, sorry but you are simply incorrect. My drafts are not the property of wikipedia as they were NEVER ACCEPTED.  Those conditions are set under the proper terms of "if and when" my articles are accepted, which means that those terms are negated presently.  Cullen328, sorry if you were confused there; you may want to ask your supervisor on this before replying to your customers like you did.  Cullen328, you may need more training and supervision.  Also, the customer is ALWAYS right too in America.
 * I have already stated and requested what I want. Please refer to my request WIKIPEDIA and try again WIKIPEDIA as my request was proper, reasonable, and valid.
 * Also, I would hope other more competent workers at WIKIPEDIA could simply direct Cullen328 in a more proper direction. Mackeymmm (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mackeymmm we're all volunteers here, not paid employees with "supervisors" and you are certainly not a customer. I would advise you not to attack volunteers.
 * In any case, I have added a deletion tag to your draft so they will soon be deleted. The Quantum Space-Time Theory draft has already been deleted.  Qcne  (talk)  12:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I will be checking on this to ensure it is actually done, then! Also, sorry QCne, my comments were no "attack";  they were simply input to WIKIPEDIA for assistance toward WIKIPEDIA's continued improvement.  Also, please do not argue with me, as I know I am right in all that I have applied for on WIKIPEDIA including my posts/replies/etc..  Also, I do own my drafts and my account as you, QCne, did not respond to this.
 * In order to cover what WIKIPEDIA stated to me in WIKIPEDIA's replies/posts/ect., both of my drafts that I submitted on WIKIPEDIA under my account have a DOI (document object identifier), which is attached to me indicating that I as a person own them. Also, the DOI takes precedence and priority over any terms or conditions WIKIPEDIA may or may not have.  Also, I inherently own my account and anything I submit under my account (even with any referencing). My drafts are not the property of WIKIPEDIA.  My statements here are completely in accordance with the legal system in my favor in America.
 * I should not have to go to the "ends of the earth" to get a simple request fulfilled on WIKIPEDIA. Please refer to my request on September 21, 2023 and fulfill it in a timely manner, WIKIPEDIA.
 * Thank-you! Mackeymmm (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mackeymmm: I will have to ask that you stop badgering and attacking others. And for your own sake, steer well clear from anything that could be interpreted as a legal threat, which seems to be the direction you're heading with this. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:00, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are in error. Once you click Publish Changes, the edit belongs to Wikipedia. It doesn't matter if it is a draft or any other page. Cullen328 is a highly experienced and knowledgeable user; I listen to what he has to say carefully, and you should too, rather than criticize him with little experience on your part. 331dot (talk) 14:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * As it happens, Mackeymmm, in this case, Wikipedia has a policy that allows your request for deletion to be honoured. But in posting your material you irrevocably released your material under that licence. You retain ownership of it, but you have given up the power to prevent Wikipedia or anybody else from using or modifying it in any way and for any purpose, provided only that they comply with the terms of the licence. In particular, you have given up the power to compel anybody to delete it. If that is not what you want, then I suggest that you don't post further in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

23:56, 21 September 2023 review of submission by MrMull
I have submitted this article twice. The first time I used the subject’s published articles in refereed journals as citations and was told these were not reliable sources. The second submission I used published third party references about the subject and was also told these were not reliable sources. I don’t know what else I can do to document the notability of this subject. MrMull (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , several of your references are not functional. Of those I could read, I was unable to find any references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to H. Wayne Rudmose. Where are they? Cullen328 (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)