Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 September 28

= September 28 =

03:24, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Redyr iksachli
The draft keeps getting rejected through the citations and sources of which I have changed much times, though this rejection I have just gotten is saying I don’t have enough sources (basically). Though for a topic on such a small in engagement in a relatively ill known war I can’t have that much sources for it. Redyr iksachli (talk) 03:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , if there are insufficient sources devoting significant coverage to this battle, then the best course of action is to cover the battle in Russo-Swedish War (1741–1743). Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it's quite telling that neither sv.wiki nor fi.wiki have an article on this, or mention it anywhere in anything more than passing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

04:21, 28 September 2023 review of submission by 202.152.71.162
This article are real life not made up. I hope ypu change it from draft to articles. 202.152.71.162 (talk) 04:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You will need to provide vastly better quality references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to this 14 year old. The draft has been rejected because there is no evidence at all that this minor child is eligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 04:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

05:40, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Priyal Pathade
Let me know hoe to create Wikipedia page, from which after searching in google our information will be available. Priyal Pathade (talk) 05:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Priyal Pathade: you can find everything you need to get started at WP:YFA. We have nothing to do with Google, however, so whether their search finds any given article or not is up to them.
 * And seeing as you say "our information", you should probably take a look at WP:COI, WP:PROMO and WP:OWN, to better understand how Wikipedia works, ideally before you even get started. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Creating first article
Hi, i have tried creating a new article of a living person named Charles Mashahary who is a Bodo singer, songwriter and also i have searched and added the notable sources and still finding more to add on it can anyone please help me out as my sources are sufficient or not or should I have to change something. Thank you!!! XERI MUSIC (talk) 06:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @XERI MUSIC: I've just declined for insufficient referencing. Among other problems with it, please note that IMDb is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated.
 * My advice would be to concentrate on just one draft, so that you learn to understand how articles are written and what makes them acceptable for publication. Once you've mastered that, you can then create more on other topics. Otherwise this whole thing is going to spin out of control – you now have five drafts, all with the same sort of problems, most of which could have been avoided if you'd created them sequentially rather than all at once.
 * But regardless, the first thing you need to do is respond to the conflict-of-interest / paid editing queries on your talk page. Please do that before any other editing. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, DoubleGrazing i really liked ur advise and I will really be helpful for improving my articles yeah I have interesting writing or editing article about music and artist's I love but I'm not paid for to write for anyone I'm just creating an article on topic about Bodo song's or Bodo Artist's and i have also tried searching for every news sources. XERI MUSIC (talk) 06:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

How to add image to an article
Also, there are photos uploaded already on Wikimedia Commons of Charles Mashahary but I dnt know how to use it where can I link it. XERI MUSIC (talk) 06:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @XERI MUSIC: you simply link to it with an internal link, like [[File:imagename]].
 * For basic editing questions like that, you can ask eg. at the Help desk or the Teahouse. This AfC help desk is for drafts undergoing the AfC review process, on which images and other optional 'bells & whistles' have no bearing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

08:17, 28 September 2023 review of submission by XERI MUSIC
I want to improve my article these is the enough sources i could find but the thing which I've are written are all notable sources and it's all true please can I submit the article for review again my article is rejected. XERI MUSIC (talk) 08:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @XERI MUSIC. I am afraid that draft is not suitable for Wikipedia at this time and the rejection is correct. Please closely read the WP:NMUSIC guidelines. The only source you have that is of any use is savaalmagazine, and that's a PR piece so not actually very useful. All your other sources are either WP:PRIMARY (so useless to establish notability) or not reliable. Sorry.  Qcne  (talk)  08:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

09:25, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Shane VV ZA
Hi, Please could I get some help with my Draft.

I would like to know if I have submitted it correctly and if there is any way to get reviewd faster and what I would need to do.

Thanks so much! Shane VV ZA (talk) 09:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Shane VV ZA. It has been submitted correctly. There is a backlog of 3500 articles to be reviewed. It will be reviewed eventually, but this could take up to four months.  Qcne  (talk)  09:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shane VV ZA: yes, you have submitted it correctly. And no, there is no way of expediting reviews; please be patient. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Really appreciate the response, I understand, I will work on improving in the meantime. Thank you! Shane VV ZA (talk) 09:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 09:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

09:46, 28 September 2023 review of submission by XERI MUSIC
Hi, wt is wrong with my article everytime it is getting declined now rejected can I really get a help from someone who can explain me wt should I add or wt should I remove XERI MUSIC (talk) 09:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @XERI MUSIC, I have explained on your message to my Talk Page. The sources do not prove notability under WP:NMUSIC, it is as simple as that.  Qcne  (talk)  09:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Rejection means there is nothing more you can do, the draft will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

11:31, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Nameiscs
why this page was declined Nameiscs (talk) 11:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nameiscs: it was declined for the reasons given in the decline notice(s), which you presumably saw before you deleted them?
 * It has also been previously rejected already – twice – so you shouldn't really have resubmitted it in any case. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

15:04, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Tea And Biscuits 123
I am unsure which reliable sources I can add for this page creation. I am creating this page on behalf of the person - Boris Hiestand - and all information has been cross checked by him before the submission. Boris Hiestand has a NL Wiki page already (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Hiestand) so the information on that has been copied across to the English version that I am creating (not including the Dutch language articles). The reasons that I had for the denied page creation are below: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Any further assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. Tea And Biscuits 123 (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tea And Biscuits 123: firstly, we're not interested in what Hiestand has told you about himself, we're interested in what reliable and independent published sources have said about him. You need to write this article by summarising such sources, and citing them against the information they've provided.
 * Secondly, whether there exists in the Dutch Wikipedia an article on this subject is immaterial in what comes to the prospects of its acceptance in the English-language one. Each language version is a completely separate project with their own policies and requirements. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tea And Biscuits 123: as for the reasons for declining this draft, these are two-fold:
 * We need to see that the subject is notable, which usually requires sources that satisfy the WP:GNG notability standard, meaning multiple secondary sources which are independent and reliable, and which have provided significant coverage of the subject. Of the 46 (!) citations, at most one meets this standard, and it alone isn't enough (and is in any case a bit borderline IMO).
 * We also need to have all material statements and anything potentially contentious clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources. Currently much of the content is not referenced at all, and many of the citations are to unreliable sources, esp. IMDb.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * At least 40+ sources are to IMDb, please remove all references to IMDb it is NOT a reliable source see WP:IMDB. Theroadislong (talk) 16:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

16:43, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Jonjonalvarez
This is a summary of each year of what President Nayib Bukele said in each UN assembly, a reference to each speech is also attached and it is also very important for young Salvadorans who seek information about history and the presidential periods of Nayib Bukele, it is a very important article, I don't know why you think it is not important, I would like to know. Jonjonalvarez (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jonjonalvarez: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a catalogue of someone's speeches or travels or appointments, etc. If you can find independent and reliable secondary sources that have analysed Bukele's speeches and/or discussed their importance, etc., then you may summarise those, citing the said sources, and possibly end up with an encyclopaedic article which could be accepted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Correct, as an encyclopedia it contains historical events of importance. I am adding information about a president's speech in United Nations.

If Wikipedia is not to contain such important events about politicians, how is it possible there is an article titled “Chavez 2006 speech at UN” or “2022 Joe Biden speech in Warsaw” which is not only a summary, it contains president’s Biden whole speech. What about the article called “Speeches of Barack Obama” which contains remarks on more than 25 speeches of president Obama.

Why am I being censored under arguments that are not applied to all the platform?

16:57, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Stuoop1dstoodant124342
first article, im not sure how to make an article. Stuoop1dstoodant124342 (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Stuoop1dstoodant124342: this draft has been rejected, so there is no way to make it an article; it won't be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

23:26, 28 September 2023 review of submission by Atomkronos
Hello, I worked really hard on this submission, and listed more than 10 reliable sources for this entry. I have seen numerous other submissions with way less references and worse formatting, that have been granted. Can you please explain what to do to get this submission granted? I would really appreciate you help. Thank you Atomkronos (talk) 23:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles you have seen are also inappropriate and simply not addressed yet. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate content to get by us.  That an article exists does not mean that it was approved by anyone. We can only address what we know about.  If you want to help us out, you can identify these other articles you have seen for possible action.  We need the help. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles, which have been vetted by the community.
 * Regarding your draft, the sources you have offered do not have significant coverage of Alex Theory or what makes him important/significant/influential(what we call notability) as independent reliable sources that can be summarized see it. Unless you have that, Mr. Theory would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. 331dot (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)