Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 September 7

= September 7 =

07:37, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Arpitkhandelwal810
How to Improve ? Arpitkhandelwal810 (talk) 07:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Arpitkhandelwal810: there is nothing to improve; this draft has been rejected, and will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not the place to tell the world about yourself, see WP:AUTOBIO and WP:PROMO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not telling about my self i am publishing my article for the world Arpitkhandelwal810 (talk) 07:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ...about yourself, correct? Anyway, it has now been deleted; please don't create more of the same. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

09:09, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Atchayampage
pls help me to create Wikipedia for Atchayam trust organization Atchayampage (talk) 09:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Atchayampage: sorry, but the onus is on you to create the articles of interest to you, and especially as a paid editor you shouldn't expect volunteers to contribute to a task for which you are being paid. If you have a specific question, you can come back to this help desk and we will try to answer it, but "help me create" is far too vague and open-ended. Meanwhile, you can find everything you need for article creation at WP:YFA, and useful advice for referencing and notability at WP:REFB and WP:GNG, respectively. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

10:44, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Ganovak3
Hello! I would like add connections to other wiki pages on my page about binding energy (vezavna energija), but i can only add the ones in English. I click on the word and then on the symbol chain and all the suggestions i get are in English. How can I find the ones in Slovenian? I checked and the ones that i want actually exist. Thanks. Ganovak3 (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link(you were missing the "Draft:" portion). 331dot (talk) 10:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Ganovak3: I'm not entirely sure what it is you're trying to do (please elaborate?), but just to say that your draft seems to be in Slovenian, whereas this is the English-language Wikipedia and we can only accept content in English. So either you need to translate that into English before submitting, or else submit it to the Slovenian Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Aha, thank you. Ganovak3 (talk) 11:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

15:01, 7 September 2023 review of submission by 204.109.64.61
why isn't this published? 204.109.64.61 (talk) 15:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Because it has been rejected for failure to demonstrate notability due to inadequate sourcing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

15:55, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Hermodorus
Well there are no other sources except the fact that it is an occult society I created literally a few days ago so I'd like it to be known so what's happening in this occasion Hermodorus (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Now deleted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , please read Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

15:59, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Misraaa
I need few chances for improvement on this article and also opportunity to have it submitted. Misraaa (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Misraaa: as I already explained yesterday, this draft has had its chances, and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Everyone deserve another chance and I thought this is a volunteer organization. I didn’t even know the number of submission time is capped as it isn’t stated anywhere the amount of trial anyone has for submissions! Misraaa (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Misraaa: indeed, everyone deserves another chance, but not indefinitely. This draft was declined no fewer than six times, before finally being rejected at the seventh review. We have thousands of drafts awaiting review, we cannot keep working on the same one indefinitely. My advice is to leave it for now, wait until such time as new and better sources have become available (assuming...) which demonstrate notability, and then try again.
 * Incidentally, what is your interest in this topic? I've posted a COI query on your talk page; please read and action as applicable. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And since there’s room for another chance, how do I update and submit new links when they’re available?? And FYI, I’ve got no any affiliation with the subject/topic, I’m just a fan of his works, that’s all. Misraaa (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * no* Misraaa (talk) 17:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Misraaa: you can still edit the draft, you just cannot submit it. If you want new sources to be considered, you need to make your case directly to the reviewer who rejected it. So in practice, you would probably add your sources to the draft, then approach the reviewer and explain how these new sources establish notability in a way that wasn't clear before.
 * Drafts which have not been edited for six months are automatically deleted. If that happens, you can ask for 'refund', ie. for the draft to be returned to you for further editing (the exact procedure will be explained on your talk page before the draft is deleted). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Misraaa. I am the reviewer who rejected it- if you can prove he can passes the strict WP:NMUSIC criteria then please message me on my Talk Page. If you can't prove that he passes the strict criteria then he cannot have an article at this time.  Qcne  (talk)  17:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

15:59, 7 September 2023 review of submission by Hermodorus
How can I create a page for something literally new since the only source is me Hermodorus (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Hermodorus: in short, you cannot. Wikipedia articles are created by summarising what independent and reliable published sources have said. Ergo, no sources, nothing to summarise, hence no article. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Hermodorus Wikipedia is not for telling the world about something you created one day. We want to know what others say about your organization, not what you say about it. You should use social media or a personal website to tell the world about your organization.  There are other possible alternative outlets as well. 331dot (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

17:23, 7 September 2023 review of submission by 104.247.228.88
I am curious what about the text is specifically making it seem like an advertisement. Also why are the website references not considered reliable? They are not produced by the creator. 104.247.228.88 (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * All I can say is that the original reviewer made the comment that "This reads like press release material." You might want to ask them to elaborate? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

19:04, 7 September 2023 review of submission by MirzaMukramullahBaig19
help me to create this page creation MirzaMukramullahBaig19 (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @MirzaMukramullahBaig19: this draft has been rejected for lack of notability, and won't therefore be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Request on 20:12:52, 7 September 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by DasKleinesPäckchen
I am hoping someone would be able to help me with the writing of this, since I have no experience in writing textbook-like stuff. I ended up writing it too closely to the articles that I was pulling the information from.

DasKleinesPäckchen (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @DasKleinesPäckchen, this is regarding Draft:Worcester_Revolution_of_1774?
 * You state that The resemblance to that blog post is coincidental, I pulled the information from other pages. This is truly an outstanding coincidence considering your original text matched 97% of the alssar.org blog precisely. With this sort of luck I would suggest playing the lottery. Please don't lie about taking copyrighted materials, we view that exceedingly poorly.  Qcne  (talk)  20:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Then the article that I wrote it from copied it from that blog post. If I must rewrite it, I will. DasKleinesPäckchen (talk) 22:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

20:15, 7 September 2023 review of submission by ABDZee
Hey I am new to Wikipedia and I wrote an article about the commonwealth youth council and it got rejected cause there weren't enough references but i cant any info other then there actual website what should i do ABDZee (talk) 20:15, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @ABDZee Nothing you can do, sorry. No references = no article. One of Wikipedia's fundamental pillars is that articles must be referenced.  Qcne  (talk)  20:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

20:23, 7 September 2023 review of submission by DCM2015
Why is this page not getting through?? DCM2015 (talk) 20:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @DCM2015. Only authors who meet the strict WP:NAUTHOR criteria should have Wikipedia articles written about them. Paul does not meet that criteria, sorry.  Qcne  (talk)  20:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * He does meet the criteria! DCM2015 (talk) 08:55, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Our kids have done a project on his books in school, and there was no Wikipedia entry for them to consult! DCM2015 (talk) 08:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia should not be used for scholarly work, at least directly- the sources used in Wikipedia articles are what should be used. If he meets the criteria, you have not yet demonstrated that. Please tell specifically which criteria he meets. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * But that's a contradiction, as the Wikipedia sources for an author are within their own page. Paul Linnet co-writes with Sue Hendra, and she has a page, so it made no sense to our school that Paul didn't! People wanted to add sources to his page, but there wasn't one, which is why we're trying to rectify that! Sue Hendra's page has similar content so if that page is valid, Paul Linnet's should be too. These people have sold millions of books! I'm not sure who allowed to dismiss an application, but they are clearly very misinformed in this case. DCM2015 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @DCM2015: as requested already, please specify which of the four criteria in WP:NAUTHOR Linnet in your opinion satisfies, and what evidence supports this?
 * I'm afraid your school kids thinking it strange not to find an article on him is not a criterion for inclusion. And comparing this draft with articles that may exist, which may well have similar shortcomings, is pointless, as we judge drafts with reference to applicable standards and guidelines, not by comparing to other articles. (See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * All of them! He has sold nearly 3 million children's books, appears at literary festivals all over the UK and Ireland, and his work has now been made into a BBC TV series going into a second series - which is what the criteria cover. This is someone who warrants a Wikipedia page. We have no affiliation with him or his publisher. Thank you! DCM2015 (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @DCM2015: sorry, but without evidence, that's just your opinion. I will ask again: what evidence supports such an assertion?
 * Which is as good a time as any to point out that this draft is practically unreferenced. There are two sources shown as references, but they aren't of very good quality, and aren't actually cited anywhere in the draft.
 * We need to see referencing, not just to verify what the draft says, but to establish the subject's notability. This is a core requirement for all articles, but especially ones on living people (WP:BLP). This draft was declined several times on that basis, yet remains virtually unreferenced. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, maybe I need to work out how better to attach references! I will try to do that. DCM2015 (talk) 11:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to thank you now! I didn't know how to add citations! I thought tagging URLs at the end was enough, so I'm learning a lot! ;) DCM2015 (talk) 11:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @DCM2015, I'd also recommend the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE.  Qcne  (talk)  12:04, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! DCM2015 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

22:26, 7 September 2023 review of submission by 2001:67C:10EC:574F:8000:0:0:22
Is the title of the draft okay? Or should it rather be moved to Draft:Eating Our Way To Extinction? Or to phrase it differently: Would the final title of the article be Eating Our Way to Extinction or Eating Our Way To Extinction? 2001:67C:10EC:574F:8000:0:0:22 (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The specific title of the draft is not relevant to the draft approval process. Once the draft is accepted, it can be placed at the proper title- you can leave a note on the draft talk page regarding the title. 331dot (talk) 22:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. But which version of the title (with "to" or "To") is correct according to the wiki practice and shall thus be used in the text of the draft? 2001:67C:10EC:574F:8000:0:0:22 (talk) 23:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It would depend on what the title of the film itself is. If the film itself capitalizes the "to", then it should be here, too. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

22:51, 7 September 2023 review of submission by 105.112.24.191
Notability 105.112.24.191 (talk) 22:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * a lack thereof. your draft has been rejected and will not be considered again. ltbdl (talk) 06:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)