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= September 9 =

03:42, 9 September 2023 review of submission by EdgarBrown
The article was rejected for "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." For this type of article, what additional corroborating information would be acceptable? EdgarBrown (talk) 03:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @EdgarBrown: most of the content is unreferenced, with several paragraphs and even whole sections entirely without citations. (Also, at least a couple of the sources you've cited are non-reliable.) In all articles, but especially so in ones on living people (WP:BLP), every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal details such as DOB must be clearly supported with inline citations (next to each statement) to reliable published sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I still get confused as to non-reliable sources. Could you please tell me which two non-reliable sources you refer to to help me gauge that? There are several of these that I think need to be hear as they are strong movers in the Progressive movement. This just happens to be a first and I am sure I will need much less help soon. Is a website with from the organization giving the Awards sufficient even if not on your reliable source list. How best to corroborate employment or serving on a board whose website in not on reliable list? Again, thanks for your help. EdgarBrown (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't lookekd at the draft or the sources, but it sounds as if you're concentrating on the issue of reliability of sources, but ignoring the equally important (for this purpose) independence. The website of the organization which gave the subject an award is not independent, and so cannot be used to establish that the subject is notable. It may be usable as a primary source; but if the only source for the fact that such and such an award was given is the awarder's own website, one must ask if the award is actually worthy of appearing in an article. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

06:37, 9 September 2023 review of submission by 223.190.197.127
Whats the probkem. hes is famous in the state kerala 223.190.197.127 (talk) 06:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * we don't care if hes is famous in the state kerala, we only care about reliable, independent sources that cover the subject significantly. the draft is only cited to a youtube video and a blog. those aren't reliable. ltb d l (talk) 06:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

09:32, 9 September 2023 review of submission by TheNewYorkTimesIN
What is the problem in this article, please explain to me in a simple language and if there are some minor mistakes so please suggest.., TheNewYorkTimesIN (talk) 09:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * In simple terms, your draft was deleted as promotional. It was also completely unsourced- Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something.  Please use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article for more information.
 * If you work for The New York Times, that must be disclosed, please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

10:45, 9 September 2023 review of submission by 87.0.57.85
I made this draft, but what is not accepted? I mean why it's not accepted? What can I do? 87.0.57.85 (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The reviewer left a message at the top of the draft explaining what the issues were and what you can do. Please also read the policies linked to in that message. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

16:38, 9 September 2023 review of submission by Gornos
I have created an important article, but it needs grammatical correction and adding English sources because I don't know English well. Please help. Gornos (talk) 16:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gornos: from which source(s) did you get all that information? You need to cite those. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a Google translation from Ukrainian and Russian articles. Gornos (talk) 17:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gornos: okay, then cite those. Sources don't have to be in English. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please help me, use, for example:
 * https://mil.in.ua/en/articles/first-trophy-how-russian-crew-passed-mi-8-to-ukrainian-intelligence/ Gornos (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Понял, добавлю Gornos (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand, I'll add Gornos (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Gornos (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Gornos ✅ It requires linguistic improvements and will benefit from additional references, but I believe the incident is notable and that the article stands a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion process.
 * I've noted the source pages on the article talk page using the correct template. It is now also linked to Wikidata. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gornos (talk) 11:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

17:35, 9 September 2023 review of submission by Englishseva
Some edits have been made to the article and would like to resubmit for approval ES (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Englishseva I see no reason to appeal the rejection. The gentleman fails WP:GNG, specifically WP:NPOL, certainly as presented here. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with my learned friend, in that there is no reason to resubmit, but if you were to do so, you cannot take this up with the rejecting reviewer, so please bring your case to me instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

17:55, 9 September 2023 review of submission by Psychodrama-trainer
This page draft that I submitted to Wikipedia was denied. This is not a personal business; it is a professional non-profit membership organization, much like the American Art Therapy Association and similar membership groups. I do NOT make any profit in relationship to this group in any way. Please help me find out how I can get this page listed. Psychodrama-trainer (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Psychodrama-trainer Have you asked the reviewer who declined Draft:American Society of Group Psychotherapy and Psychodrama? It's a good place to start. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will look to see if I can locate that person. Psychodrama-trainer (talk) 18:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Promotion in Wikipedia's terms is not limited to commercial promotion. If you are trying to use Wikipedia to tell the world about something, that is promotion. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects which the world has already been told about in independent reliably-published sources, and its articles are supposed to summarize what those sources say, nothing more. ColinFine (talk) 22:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

19:29, 9 September 2023 review of submission by Ewhauss
I re-submitted this draft page, adding more sources and details. Can you tell me where it is in the review process? Ewhauss (talk) 19:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You have resubmitted it. It is therefore in the unstructured heap of drafts waiting for a reviewer to decide to look at it. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

20:45, 9 September 2023 review of submission by Zayani55
i wanna an accepted review pls for this page Zayani55 (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Zayani55: the draft has been submitted and is awaiting review. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)