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= April 19 =

00:22, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Keppard123
Why was my entry rejected again? The reviewer did not leave an explanation. The previous reviewers wanted more references. I included quite a few. Please tell me what I am doing wrong so this can be accepted. The guitarist in question is a world class player and this is an important release. Thanks! Keppard123 (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * And why would you call this a test edit? This is a serious entry. Please respond when you can. Keppard123 (talk) 01:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The issue is that the draft is almost entirely critical reception, a tracklist, and credits; it should be a summary of what the album is, how it was produced, and the critical reception of it. Compare 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?) or Odyssey Number Five, which are featured-class articles on albums. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  Source assessment notes 06:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

06:19, 19 April 2024 review of submission by TALARI ARUN KUMAR
I edited my article named "Traits of a successful salesperson". Please refer and approve it TALARI ARUN KUMAR (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * We do not host op-eds. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  Source assessment notes 06:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

06:24, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Prathiksha1996
Hi, this is the third time I am writing this article can you please help me which point sounds like an advertisement here so that I can edit it accordingly Prathiksha1996 (talk) 06:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Before we continue, what is your connexion to FloCareer? —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  Source assessment notes 06:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (Blocked as sock.) DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

09:24, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Eeeenah0209
Hi There,

My recent submission has been declined for the following reason:

Resubmitted with no meaningful improvement, previous decline(s) still apply. Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at KWV South Africa instead.

The following article is on KWV Brandy, a label under the KWV umbrella, and therefore needs its own page. The existing KWV page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWV_South_Africa) simply states the history and origin of the brand. The purpose of my article is to give more information about KWV Brandy and its varieties, along with all of its awards. Is there a there perhaps a way forward? Eeeenah0209 (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Eeeenah0209: if you can show that KWV House of Brandy is independently notable, then it may be possible to have a separate article on it. (I'm not saying even then we necessarily should have a separate article, but it would be at least possible.)
 * Could you please respond to the conflict-of-interest query on your talk page? Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

10:25, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Zeeyas
According to my article reviewer, the article was declined due to insufficient published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and strictly independent of the subject. However, I believe that the references provided meet these criteria. I kindly need assistance in updating the article in a manner acceptable to Wikipedia. Zeeyas (talk) 10:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Zeeyas: so that we don't have to plough through nearly 50 (!) citations, could you please list here the three strongest ones in terms of meeting the WP:GNG / WP:ORG guideline, namely: secondary sources that provide significant coverage, directly of the subject, and that are both reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Note that passing mentions, routine business reporting, anything where a representative of the organisation is commenting or being interviewed, and anything that is based on press releases, sponsored content or other material originating with the organisation do not count. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Kindly see below a list of our three strongest citations based on the criteria:
 * https://www.macfound.org/grantee/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-39438/
 * https://luminategroup.com/investee/yaradua
 * https://statehouse.gov.sl/sierra-leones-president-julius-maada-bio-seeks-partnership-towards-promoting-purposeful-leadership-with-a-symbolic-visit-to-the-shehu-musa-yaradua-centre-nigeria/
 * Thank you. Zeeyas (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * DoubleGrazing may not be willing to take the time to assess 50 sources, but I am. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
 * We can't use https://www.developmentaid.org/organizations/view/153907/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation (too sparse). Content-free profile.
 * Everything that is on the yaraduafoundation.org domain is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
 * https://www.macfound.org/grantee/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-39438/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). As they've granted money to SMYF, they are considered to be affiliated with them. This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
 * Reference 5 is missing required bibliographical information (page #).
 * We can't use Find A Grave (no editorial oversight). Find A Grave's content is user-generated and not vetted, and pages there may contain plagiarised content.
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20150627233756/http://www.punchng.com/news/buhari-to-speak-about-certificate-controversy-today/ is a non-sequitur. If a source does not so much as mention SMYF, then there's no chance it's a useful source in an encyclopaedia article about it.
 * Reference 8 is missing required bibliographical information (page #).
 * I cannot assess the Katsina Post article (technical barrier). Clicking the link instead queries localhost (i.e. my own computer).
 * https://www.manpower.com.ng/people/15786/shehu-musa-yaradua is a non-sequitur. Coverage of the person doesn't equal coverage of the organisation that bears his name. We also couldn't cite this anyway (unknown provenance).
 * Reference 11 is a duplicate of the Katsina Post cite.
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/06/08/a-quiet-revolt-against-abacha/e238a23e-0eae-4b35-9161-878003326486/ is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nigerian-political-prisoner-dies-1.135778 is a non-sequitur. I'll be very blunt here: Every source that is about Shehu Musa Yar'Adua needs to be used in an article about him specifically - not in an article about the Foundation that bears his name.
 * https://guardian.ng/opinion/remembering-shehu-yaradua-20-years-after/ is a non-sequitur, and we couldn't cite it anyways as it's an op-ed (no editorial oversight).
 * I cannot assess https://allafrica.com/stories/200803101007.html (walled).
 * https://statehouse.gov.sl/sierra-leones-president-julius-maada-bio-seeks-partnership-towards-promoting-purposeful-leadership-with-a-symbolic-visit-to-the-shehu-musa-yaradua-centre-nigeria/ is useless for notability (too sparse, gov't document). The Foundation is barely even mentioned as the article is more about Bio's actions at the Shehu Musa Yar'Adua Centre and comparing him to Shehu Musa Yar'Adua, and it's put out by Sierra Leone's government. This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
 * We can't use https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/our-grants/awarded-grants/grants-database/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-147904/ (too sparse, connexion to subject). Granted money to SMYF, and the page has practically no content to cite.
 * " " " https://luminategroup.com/investee/yaradua (" ", " " "). " " " ", " " " " " " " " ". This is one of the three sources you proffered above.
 * We can't use https://www.devex.com/organizations/shehu-musa-yar-adua-foundation-smyf-112335 (too sparse). Content-free profile.
 * https://www.newswire.com/news/yaradua-foundation-and-the-european-union-to-host-documentary is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Newswire only ever publishes press releases, so this was written by or on behalf of SMYF.
 * https://blueprint.ng/women-should-be-recognised-as-drivers-of-sustainable-development-atiku-adejuwon/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with organisation principal.
 * https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/11/unn-shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-launch-whistle-blowing-portal-to-fight-sexual-harassment/ is useless for notability (routine coverage). Coverage of a launch of an online portal.
 * https://www.fordfoundation.org/work/our-grants/awarded-grants/grants-database/shehu-musa-yaradua-foundation-135030/ has the exact same problems as the previous Ford Foundation cite (too sparse, connexion to subject).
 * I am unsure if WE ACT is a reliable source by itself as far as reliability goes.
 * Reference 26 is a duplicate of the Newswire cite.
 * https://ace.soas.ac.uk/presentation-by-soas-ace-to-the-yaradua-foundation-in-nigeria/ is useless for notability (wrong topic). This is a 22-minute long presentation to SMYF lobbying them to rely on ACE's research.
 * We can't use https://abujacityng.com/shehu-musa-yaradua-centre/ (too sparse). Photo gallery of a property.
 * We can't use https://www.showsbee.com/company-1614-Shehu-Musa-YarAdua-Center.html (too sparse). Too short to cite, and in any event is about their HQ, not the Foundation proper.
 * We can't use Reference 33 (wrong topic). This looks like part of a programme for a film festival, focusing on a documentary SMYF put out?
 * https://guardian.ng/news/climate-change-threatens-agriculture-food-security-in-nigeria/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Article barely mentions the Foundation and doesn't discuss it at any length.
 * We can't use https://www.eelive.ng/short-film-iamnotcorrupt-starts-the-conversation-every-nigerian-must-have/ (unknown provenance). Role byline. Even if we could cite it it'd be useless for notability (wrong topic).
 * The This Day story is useless for notability (too sparse). Mentioned once in the article's lede and never again, with most of the article being effectively an op-ed by Monica Osagie.
 * I cannot assess Reference 37 (technical barrier). Even if I could, it'd be useless for notability (gov't document).
 * We can't cite random YouTube videos (unknown provenance). YouTube (and other video sites) can only be cited if (1) the video in question is published by an outlet we would ordinarily consider reliable and (2) that video is uploaded to that outlet's verified channel.
 * https://www.datagovernancehub.org/partnership/job-vacancy-consultant-evaluation-of-the-joint-civic-defense-fund-2020-2022- is useless for notability (too sparse). This appears to be a job-opening post about something tangentially-related to SMYF.
 * https://www.partnersnigeria.org/sexual-harrassment-in-the-workplace/ appears to be a non-sequitur? It's useless for notability in any event (wrong topic).
 * https://carmenmccain.com/2016/04/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-grand-jury-prize-at-the-green-me-film-festival-lagos-and-draws-further-attention-to-the-plight-of-the-ekuri-forest/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Blog of a filmmaker who worked on a documentary funded by SMYF.
 * https://citypsalm.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-best-documentary-short-at-the-african-film-festival-taff-dallas-and-screens-6-more-times-this-week-in-abuja-dc-and-linden-nj/ is a non-sequitur, and we couldn't cite it in the first place as it's a random blog (no editorial oversight).
 * https://carmenmccain.com/2016/07/04/nowhere-to-run-wins-best-documentary-short-at-the-african-film-festival-taff-dallas-and-screens-6-more-times-this-week-in-abuja-dc-and-linden-nj/ is a non-sequitur, but given it's talking about the same film as the first Carmen McCain source, it's useless for notability even if it weren't (connexion to subject).
 * https://www.ekoiff.org/official-selection-2016-eko-international-film-festival/ is a non-sequitur. Everything here about Nowhere to Run does nothing for the article about SMYF, as they're barely even mentioned, if at all, in those sources.
 * https://www.bebeakinboade.com/2016/11/afriff-globe-awards-2016-full-list-of.html is a non-sequitur.
 * https://www.pulse.ng/entertainment/movies/homevida-awards-2016-oloibiri-nowhere-to-run-win-big-at-7th-edition/92j2p9m " " "-".
 * https://dailytrust.com/oloibiri-nowhere-to-run-bag-2016-homevida-awards/ " " "-".
 * None of the sources you have that I could assess are usable in any way. Please read WP:Reliable sources and WP:Notability (companies and organizations) and look for better sources. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  Source assessment notes 16:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jéské Couriano: Thank you for the very detailed feedback. I will work on the sources as advised. Zeeyas (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You said "our" above. Are you associated with this Foundation? 331dot (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @331dot Yes, I am. Zeeyas (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then please read conflict of interest; you will need to make a formal disclosure. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @331dot: Thank you. I believe I did that before submitting the draft. Zeeyas (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see in your edit history where you disclosed. If you checked a box when you used the article wizard, that is not a disclosure, it's just a way of guiding you. No one knows you checked that box other than you. You need to disclose as WP:COI describes. If you find the coding too challenging, you may just write a statement on your user page to the effect of "I wish to disclose a conflict of interest with regards to the Shehu Musa Yar'Adua Foundation". 331dot (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

13:31, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Shark4124
I cannot submit it,because it says "ratelimited" what i gotta do? Shark4124 (talk) 13:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed your post to provide the correct link to your draft. I'm not sure about your issue, but your draft would not be accepted if you submitted it, as it has no independent reliable sources summarized. Wikipedia articles cannot be used to source other Wikipedia articles, per WP:CIRCULAR. 331dot (talk) 13:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The source are hard to find,sorry. Because it really rare. Shark4124 (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sources are a must; you should have them in hand before starting to write a draft. Sources do not need to be online, a book in a library is fine.
 * If sources are hard to find, how do you know about this man? 331dot (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I got in from the youtube actually (sorry if i say "youtube") ill change it bro. Because it a bit confusing,sorry! Shark4124 (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks bro,appreciate that for the suggestions, i able to submit it Shark4124 (talk) 14:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

14:18, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Revbunmi
I know very well of the subject matter; Olubunmi Adeleye Thomas, he is an unpublished personality very few is online about him and the Oyo State Government official website has information about him at www.bunmithomas.org.ng and knowing him to be an human right activist and clergy in Ibadan the most populous city in Nigeria, he ought to be on wikipedia. please i recommend that you call for articles concerning him. thank you. Revbunmi (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If there are few sources about this man, he would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. We do not place phone calls here searching for sources, it's up to you to provide them. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

15:42, 19 April 2024 review of submission by Fanindradev
I’m trying to add a biography page of Fanindra bhardwaj he is music producer and songwriter please help me to add a title for fanindra bhardwaj and please suggest me which reference needed in submission &#91;&#91; user:fanindradev&#93;&#93; (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * You need to find several places where people wholly unconnected with Bhardwaj, and not prompted or fed information by or on behalf of Bhardwaj, have chosen to write at lenght about him, and been published in reliable sources. That is the only kind of source which is relevant at this stage.
 * If you do not have at least three sources which meet that description (see WP:42 for more detail then you are wasting your time and our time. ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

22:55, 19 April 2024 review of submission by 2A01:9700:1021:B00:CEDB:B79C:29BF:D4BD
whywas it rejected 2A01:9700:1021:B00:CEDB:B79C:29BF:D4BD (talk) 22:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I can't see the reasons for rejecting it, but the reason given for deleting it was that iswasunambiguous advertising or promotion.
 * Writing an article starts by finding several independent reliable sources about the subject, and then continues by summarising what those sources say. It follows that if there are not enough such sources, and article is not possible, and any attempt to write one is a complete waste of time. ColinFine (talk) 19:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Writing an article starts by finding several independent reliable sources about the subject, and then continues by summarising what those sources say. It follows that if there are not enough such sources, and article is not possible, and any attempt to write one is a complete waste of time. ColinFine (talk) 19:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)