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= January 5 =

00:14, 5 January 2024 review of submission by Hcaandersen
While watching the major Netflix production, Power Book III: Raising Kanan, with my son, I Googled the lead actor, Mekai Curtis, and was surprised to see that he didn't have a Wikipedia article. Being an occasional Wikipedia contributor, I thought this would be my opportunity to fill an obvious hole. Unfortunately it keeps getting rejected. The reason given is that the article doesn't reference "significant coverage". I've included citations from People, Variety and The Hollywood Reporter (see below). These are about as significant as I could imagine. What more can I do?


 * https://people.com/raising-kanan-mekai-curtis-says-50-cent-handed-the-baton-on-power-book-iii-8410346
 * https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/mekai-curtis-power-book-iii-raising-kanan-star-signs-with-apa-1235515675/
 * https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/power-raising-kanan-mekai-curtis-1203515035/ Hcaandersen (talk) 00:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * An interview is not an independent source, so that does not contribute to notability. Casting announcements are not significant coverage, so those do not contribute to notability. As reviewers pointed out, it is far too soon for this actor to merit a Wikipedia article, and he would not seem to meet WP:NACTOR. 331dot (talk) 00:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Answered also on my Talk Page.  Qcne  (talk)  09:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

00:45, 5 January 2024 review of submission by Jm33746
I am interested in improving this draft so it can be approved for publication. What do I need to do Jm33746 (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jm33746 I think this was declined in error, and have resubmitted it for you. Sorry about that. -- asilvering (talk) 06:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

08:27, 5 January 2024 review of submission by Gswapp
Can you guide me how to not meet this rejection, I just want it to be provide info about my company Gswapp (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gswapp your sandbox is blank, and I find no rejected draft in your edit history - unless it was deleted for unambiguous promotion.
 * Wikipedia is not a company directory, but an encyclopaedia about notable topics. Most organisations do not meet our specific definition of a "notable company". It is prohibited to use Wikipedia for advertising or promotion.  Qcne  (talk)  09:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There was an earlier (very promotional) draft in the sandbox, but it was G11'd about an hour ago.
 * @Gswapp: I can tell you that I can pretty close to asking you to be blocked for promotional editing. Please do not attempt to recreate the draft. Also, read the warnings I've posted on your talk page about promotion (not allowed) and paid-editing (disclosure required). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

09:41, 5 January 2024 review of submission by Infoprovider434
Help Me To Add Reference Infoprovider434 (talk) 09:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further; you may learn more about referencing at Referencing for Beginners, but that won't save this draft. 331dot (talk) 09:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Infoprovider434: you apparently know how to add references, since you've added three (not particularly useful ones, but at least you know how this is done). Your bigger problem is that there is no meaningful content, and no sign of any notability.
 * That said, this draft has now been rejected, and won't be considered further, so you're on something of a hiding to nothing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * My Artical About A New Launched Company Desi Beats Whose In Bassi Himachal Pradesh India Infoprovider434 (talk) 09:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * New companies almost never merit articles- a company must be established and recognized in its field to receive the coverage necessary to meet our policies. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh So Sorry But Please Help Me Sir To Publish My Artical Please Infoprovider434 (talk) 09:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Infoprovider434 no, the article has been rejected and will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a business directory.  Qcne  (talk)  09:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ohk Sir Thanks but help me to add Referance Infoprovider434 (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Infoprovider434: perhaps you're not familiar with the expression 'hiding to nothing'. It means mission impossible; there is nothing to be done. You need to drop this topic and move on. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

12:59, 5 January 2024 review of submission by IRTHEORY2021
Thank you for your feedback. I diligently incorporated your suggestions. Please assess whether the resources, as per multiple independent sources, meet the rigorous standards of your encyclopedia. Thank you for your time and consideration. IRTHEORY2021 (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * You have submitted it for review and it is pending. It's not necessary to comment here unless you have a question. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the feedback. I will gather additional independent sources and get back to you within the next couple of days. IRTHEORY2021 (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't make a new thread for every post, just edit this existing section while it is on this page. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

13:55, 5 January 2024 review of submission by Woiakl
I have already added reliable, independent sources last time, but it seems that they have not been seen. Woiakl (talk) 13:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Woiakl: firstly, refs #1-4 are the organisation's own website, #6 is a book published for the organisation, and #7 is about the HQ move and not about the organisation as such. This is not enough to establish notability. Also, most of the main body content still remains unreferenced – where is all that info coming from?
 * Secondly, you shouldn't just resubmit a declined draft without addressing the decline reason(s). Or if you disagree with the reasons, you need to discuss this with the reviewer. Resubmitting without any improvement triggers an automatic decline, and if you keep doing that the draft will eventually be rejected outright. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

14:59, 5 January 2024 review of submission by 98.212.212.76
Hello, I am requesting a review for this article because I do not think the initial reviewer took a look at the Nigerian Newspapers with Articles on this subject that I referenced. The reviewer declined it in error. For example, is the Independent Newspaper Nigeria, QED.NG Nigerian Newspaper, Imo State Nigeria Trumpeta Newspaper, YES celebrities Nigeria or the other Nigerian Newspapers and publications included not reliable or representative of the country's News and the Entertainment industry? Not independent of the artist? Not self-published? Is the Globcal United Nations Website not reliable or independent of this artist and ambassador? Are the Awards publications included non-reliable and not independent of the artist? I am seeing many articles about other Nigerian Artists that have almost nothing in them accepted for Wikipedia publication. Some of the Wikipedia requirements which this subject meets include:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and independent of the musician or ensemble itself. I have included some things that are out there about this artist, and I don't think there has been a fair and thorough review of submitted information. I understand some articles are published but noted for needing improvement or with errors. This would make more sense since this is usually a work in progress. But completely declining this submission is far-fetched. I am requesting a fair and complete review of the submission. 98.212.212.76 (talk) 14:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * It is quite an accusation to make, to say that the reviewer didn't look at the sources. What do you base this on?
 * The first thing that strikes me is that most of the information is unreferenced, which is completely unacceptable in an article/draft on a living person. This could have been declined for that reason alone.
 * Large chunks of it appear to have been copied from this source. It could also have been declined for that reason.
 * To sum up, declining was far from far-fetched. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * PS: If you are, please remember to log into your account when editing. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I am logged into my account. What I am saying is that the "reviewer" stated exacly the decline reason:  that the references need to be from verifiable sources independent of the artist/ambassador.  It doesn't make sense that ALL the National Newspapers with articles on this Artist are not verifiable?  Please we need to be careful to maintain the quality of not only publications but review that we profess.  Even your response telling me that declining was not far-fetched, without being specific doesn't make sense.  You are saying the article is unreferenced, while the reviewer is saying the references need to be from reliable sources independent of the subject; indicating the article is actually referenced?  If you believe it "appears" copied, if the same information is carried by different sources about the artist, and you see that I wrote similar about her, should I then make up things about her so as to make my article different? Or shouldn't much of the information online about her be able to be verified as similar?
 * Is the source you actually mention also an unreliable source that is NOT separate from the subject? I still say the same thing, you are not clear in how you select articles to improve on, and those you completely decline.  Even Awards that are verifiable and relevant, backed by Hollywood, and published in these articles with the actual Award links shared, are still not verifiable by your editor?  Artist Notability according to you, NEED to  include just one thing:  Winning a relevant award, representing something significant in that area, Being published in major reliable independent sources.  This artist meets all three.  You are saying that the Major Nigerian Newspapers are not reliable, since their articles are included.  You are saying, that even the United Nations is not reliable, since the link included showing this woman is also a UN/SDG's ambassador with Globcal International, with both the Globcal webpage link, the UN webpage link, and her designated Ambassador page unverifiable?  I think something is wrong with your assessment.  Jewels of Africa (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jewels of Africa sources as serve two purposes, verifiability and notability. You can certainly use the institution giving an award as a source to verify Alu won the award, but that is a primary source and not independent so not useful for notability same with interviews or anything Alu says which is what the "news" sources largely are so not useful for notability, nor is her website.  The UN link is broke but again, they are a primary source.  I am not sure what you mean by an award being backed by "Hollywood".  Hollywood is a neighborhood, Hollywood, Los Angeles and also used to refer to the movie and entertainment industry in the United States.  If it is a major industry award, it will be covered by Variety, Deadline Hollywood and the like.
 * In order for a source to be useful for notability it needs to meet all four criteria linked in the decline message: reliable (have evidence of editorial oversight, established history of fact-checking), secondary (this includes the content within the source, interviews are primary), intellectually independent (this includes the content within the source; interviews, sponsored/brand posts, press releases, etc. are not independent) and cover the subject in-depth in the authors owns words based on their own research, analysis, etc.
 * As for copying from sources, an independent administrator reviewed the content in the draft and the source and agreed it was copied so did violate copyright. Copyright violations are a legal issue for both Wikipedia and the person who added the content, in this case you, so the content is now deleted.
 * If you interact with editors in the same manner you have here, making baseless accusations and using caps which means you are shouting at people (see shout) I doubt anyone will respond to you. I did so a courtesy to a new editor who does not understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, which is understandable.  You may not like or understand what someone is telling you but you do need to remain civil.  And one last note, if you have any affiliation with Mercy Alu, you need to declare your conflict of interest.  I will leave some additional information on your talk page.  S0091 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

19:54, 5 January 2024 review of submission by 37.171.217.76
I edited my draft twice but they are rejecting it again by giving same reason: This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

Can you please tell me what is wrong here? 37.171.217.76 (talk) 19:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Here are some inappropriate phrases:
 * - professional journey
 * - His tenure was marked by adaptability
 * - Bashir dedicated time to community service  Qcne  (talk)  20:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)