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= January 8 =

04:40, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Hwickkid
Will I have the opportunity for a new submission when I acquire more reliable sources? Hwickkid (talk) 04:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hwickkid: if I'm honest, I don't see much chance of this being accepted, especially considering the lack of progress through the last several reviews. This draft remains very far from an acceptable state. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

13:32, 8 January 2024 review of submission by 134.41.167.171
I may have made a mistake when submitting this article. Mary Chilvers is a curling athlete with multiple national appearances. Most other curling athlete articles have limited references, but this article keeps being rejected. When I set this article up at first, I was new to wikipedia and may have selected the wrong category "notable people" or something like that.

Can you help me reclassify this article so that its about the athlete, and not a "famous person in society". 134.41.167.171 (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I had posted this before logging in. I had submitted this question. FenelonCurls (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that there is a difference between "declined" and "rejected"; Rejected means that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means it may be resubmitted.,
 * Not too long ago, the notability criteria for athletes was made less strict in that athletes need to meet the same definition of a notable person that any other person must meet- instead of meeting specific criteria(such as appearances in the Olympics or national championships). WP:NSPORT is now just a guide as to what things might make a person notable. This means that there are likely many inapprorpiate articles that no longer(or never did) meet the notability criteria and have simply not been addressed yet. This can't justify the addition of more inappropriate content, see other stuff exists.  Note that "famous" is not the same thing as "notable"- someone can be famous but not notable, and notable but not famous. What matters is the coverage in independent reliable sources.
 * As noted, the main problem you have is that none of the sources you offer have significant coverage of Chilvers. 331dot (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that clarification. I was wondering why all other articles had simply links to showing when they played an event" more than what was provided in my references. FenelonCurls (talk) 13:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're interested- and you don't need to be, just saying- you can help us address inappropriate articles by identifying them and their issues. This can be done via Page Curation or tools available via Twinkle. 331dot (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

14:42, 8 January 2024 review of submission by 45.250.229.176
Raju Ahmed is a Bangladeshi film director who gained popularity by bringing Bangladeshi film actress Achol into his first film. Anchal has a Wikipedia page named after it. 45.250.229.176 (talk) 14:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay. Did you have a question in mind? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing Why is Raju Ahmed page not being accepted? 45.250.229.176 (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing https://www.amarsangbad.com/print-entertainment/news-212293#:~:text=%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0%20%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%20%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A4%20%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A7%9F%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%20%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%81%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%B2%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%81%20%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A6%20%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A4%20%E2%80%98%E0%A6%AD%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2%E2%80%99%20%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%20%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%20%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A7%9F%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%20%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%87%20%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%E0%A7%9F%20%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%20%E0%A6%85%E0%A6%AD%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B7%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%95%20%E0%A6%B9%E0%A7%9F%E0%A5%A4%20%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%A5%E0%A6%AE%20%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%BE%20%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%87%20%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B6%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0%20%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A8%20%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%9F%20%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%20%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9B%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A8%20%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%81%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%B2%E0%A5%A4
 * https://www.ajkerpatrika.com/30115/%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%81%E0%A6%9A%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E2%80%98%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%9F%E2%80%99-%E0%A6%8F%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%82-%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AA#:~:text=%E0%A7%A8%E0%A7%A6%E0%A7%A7%E0%A7%A7%20%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B2%E0%A7%87%20%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9C%E0%A7%81%20%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%AE%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0%20%E2%80%98%E0%A6%AD%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B2%E2%80%99 45.250.229.176 (talk) 14:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For the reason given in the decline notice, specifically the grey box inside the large pink one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing I will submit the news... 45.250.229.176 (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For a standalone article, the subject must meet either WP:NDIRECTOR or WP:GNG criteria. Since he hasn't directed any notable films, he doesn't fulfill NDIRECTOR. Therefore, your draft must satisfy GNG, necessitating significant coverage from reliable, independent secondary sources. Currently, I don't see any GNG-worthy sources in your draft, so please add at least three reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the subject. – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @DreamRimmer I am adding news 45.250.229.176 (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "News" may or may not be enough. Often (particularly in the entertainment field) a news story simply mentions somebody's name (not significant coverage) or is obviously just a regurgitated press release (not independent). You need to verify the each of your proposed sources on its own meets the three criteria in WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine Review Now I am editing some articles with news. 45.250.229.176 (talk) 16:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please do not demand reviews, we are volunteers. Reviews may take up to three weeks.  Qcne  (talk)  16:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

15:07, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Jpgroppi
I have some problem to modify the text.The text was defined as an "advertisment" which accordin^g to me was plain simple text without any exagerated quality that would made it as an advertisment. I took example of some other eârtist whos text were far more elitist or missing humility. Could someone help me to understand were did I make advertisment? Thank you for your help. I really like to have Jean-Pierre part of your beutiful encyclopedia. Jpgroppi (talk) 15:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jpgroppi: what makes it promotional is that this is you telling the world about yourself, rather than summarising what independent and reliable secondary sources have said. See WP:YESPROMO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a moment,maybe I understand now why I have these problems. I am not writing a biography of myself. I am just writing a biography of an artist Jean-Pierre Groppi that I like to have on the Wikipedia as other artist are.I have a few painting of this artist and like to have some reference of the artist for others tat might know him as well. Jean-Pierre left some souvenir but not on the internet or very few. I made the login and create the jpgroppi to avoid to use my personal name.If this creates confusion or ambiguity I can make a new account from scratch. Will this help?
 * Thank you for your answer Jpgroppi (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

15:32, 8 January 2024 review of submission by 2601:19B:683:7CE0:31C4:EC61:43B:2292
How do I make this more notable? 2601:19B:683:7CE0:31C4:EC61:43B:2292 (talk) 15:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Remember to log in when posting. You can't "make it notable"- it either is or it isn't.  No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic.  Wikipedia is not for telling about something just created.  This game must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, coverage that can be summarized in an article, showing how this game is notable.  The draft was rejected because that seems unlikely to occur, if something fundamentally changes here, you must first appeal to the reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

16:08, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Liv.unohchr
Hi there, would it be possible to have a review from someone before submitting the page again? Thank you in advance. Liv.unohchr (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Liv.unohchr: we don't provide on-demand pre-reviews here at the help desk. If you feel that you've addressed the previous decline reasons, you can resubmit, and someone will assess it in due course. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your draft reads like a school essay and encyclopaedia articles NEVER ask questions. Theroadislong (talk) 16:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Liv.unohchr (talk) 08:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

19:06, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Olivia Harry
I wish to know the best tag to use on the draft article. The article is still more of developing subject. Olivia Harry (talk) 19:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I’m unsure what the question you’re asking is. The submission was declined because there were not enough in-depth sources to show that the subject was notable. Eternal Shadow   Talk  21:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

19:24, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Włodzimierz Juśkiewicz
I wanted to acknowledge the contribution of one of the journals. There are many entries in Wiki about various journal titles with different impact on science. Not all journals are Nature :) The one I added belongs to the group of quite good ones. For example, in the field of Social Sciences - Cultural Studies it is in the Q1 group (top 10%), which means that it is among the best, in other fields it is in Q2. There are no books or articles written about journals, their quality is proven by independent indicators and coefficients. It is external databases (Web of Science, SCOPUS, Copernicus, etc.) that evaluate journals. You can verify important information there. Such links have been added to the entry - I tried to maintain the standard of other journals entries. Despite this, the entry was rejected. Can you point out a difference that I probably didn't notice, that is not present in my entry suggestion and in others that already appear on the Wiki? Thank you and best regards Włodzimierz Juśkiewicz (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Please see other stuff exists; the existence of other articles that may themselves be problematic has no bearing on your draft. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , please also read Notability (academic journals). Although this is an essay and not a formal policy or guideline, it will give you some insight into the thinking of editors who work on articles about academic journals. Cullen328 (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

20:21, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Jdbtwo
I do not understand why my article submission doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. The WKdm ( and WK class of algorithms ) is one of the two primary types of virtual compression algorithms, developed circa 1999 or 1997.

As for notability in real-world implementations, Apple has included WKdm virtual memory compression in its OS since OSX 10.9 Mavericks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory_compression#cite_note-Arstechnica-29 ).

Wikipedia is full of hundreds of articles which describe algorithms that are used in just one particular operating system ( mainly Linux ) -- I don't understand why my submission isn't notable at least in this regard.

I know it's only mentioned, in detail, in two or three journal articles, but it's been referenced much more in the open source XNU mailing lists, similar to various Linux process scheduling algorithms, which have Wikipedia articles. Jdbtwo (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The submission was declined because the sources did not sufficiently demonstrate notability. There are not enough secondary sources from reliable media publications to demonstrate the subject is notable enough to warrant an article. Eternal Shadow   Talk  21:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What other articles do is not relevant, see other stuff exists. These other articles could themselves be problematic and you would be unaware of this. 331dot (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read what Wikipedia means by notabilitym, Jdbtwo - it's is not fame, or importance, or influence, or popularity, or wideness of use. It is essentially the question "is there enough independent, reliably published information about the subject to base an article on?" (remembering that ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

21:35, 8 January 2024 review of submission by Tedleisenring
this is the message I got from my editor for my latest article on George H Rothacker: The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. I can't find more inline citations. Should I delete some of the content that may not have what they are looking for in references? what else can I do to get it published. it is all facts and good information Tedleisenring (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link for proper display. 331dot (talk) 21:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand; you need a citation for every substantive piece of information in an article about a living person, see WP:BLP. Those citations need to be placed next to the information being cited. See referencing for beginners. 331dot (talk) 21:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * , consider the first two paragraphs of the "Early life" section, which are entirely unreferenced. How is the reader supposed to verify the accuracy of that content? Verifiability is a core content policy. The same issue applies to vast swathes of unreferenced content throughout the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

22:35, 8 January 2024 review of submission by JonJaySon
Hi I've just had an article accepted which is great. I've sourced two photos from the artist the article is about, both are referred to in the article. I've placed them in WIki Commons, but have no idea how to add them to the page. Can someone help with an idiots' guide? I'm from the typewriter era... Thank you, Jon JonJaySon (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @JonJaySon: this isn't any longer an AfC matter, now that the article has been published. In any case, you seem to have managed to add one image, so I'm assuming you figured it out; now you can just repeat that process.
 * Having said which, I notice that you said when you uploaded these images that you've done so with the artist's permission. We need to see evidence that the artist has really released the image into the public domain. I would suggest that you read Licensing, if you haven't yet done so, and contact the relevant Commons help desk for advice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads up, I assumed things would be done on trust, but I guess that is very naive. I'll read the commons page and then contact the help desk. I stumbled on how to load the photo, will leave it at that for now, although Romney did release one other image (of the work that got her into so much trouble).
 * Also, I noticed the page is only available through Wikidata, which I'd not heard of. Is that an interim step prior to Google indexing the page, or a lesser version of Wikipedia for less known people? Once you open the data page and scroll down there are links to Pedia and Commons which do seem to work ok.
 * Anyway, thank you for responding and for your advice, which I'll follow now.
 * Jon JonJaySon (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

23:06, 8 January 2024 review of submission by NickystheThicky
why was thus declined NickystheThicky (talk) 23:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @NickystheThicky: because it was inappropriate, which is also why it has been deleted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:25, 9 January 2024 (UTC)