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= July 12 =

08:15, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Beamai2004
There is a detailed article on Gustav Maier (WriterI in the German Wikipedia:: Gustav Maier (Schriftsteller) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Maier_(Schriftsteller) Since Gustav Maier has been described in the first volume of the Collected Papers of Albert Einstein as an important benefactor and sponsor of the young Albert Einstein at Zurich, from 1895-1901 and in all biographies on Albert Einstein, I have submitted a shortened version of the German Wikipedia article on Gustav Maier (Schriftsteller) in English, hence, this is a well referenced and notorious personality who definitely deserves an aticle also in the English version of Wikipedia. Thank you very much for looking into this matter. Beamai2004 (talk) 08:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please understand that each language Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies, and what is acceptable on one version(if it is) is not necessarily acceptable here. When translating an article from one Wikipedia to another, it is up to you to ensure that the translation meets the policies of the language version you are translating.  The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others.  Your draft is far too poorly sourced to be acceptable at this time. 331dot (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , when I look at your draft, I see vast swathes of unreferenced content that violate the core content policy Verifiability. Translations from other language versions are welcomed, but only if they comply with the policies and guidelines  of the English Wikipedia. Yours does not do so. Cullen328 (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at the German article de:Gustav Maier (Schriftsteller), I see that the vast majority of citations are to his works. That is not acceptable in en-wiki: the majority of citations, and the basis for almost the entire article, should be to independent works about Maier. ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

10:08, 12 July 2024 review of submission by BasharatAli254
please let me know why my draft is not being accepted. how may I improve it BasharatAli254 (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @BasharatAli254 Rejection usually means the end for a draft. You re-submitted it with zero improvements, despite previous advice given on the 10th July. Your draft is written in a completely inappropriate way for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a memorial.
 * If you think you can re-write this draft to comply with our strict policies on neutrality, let me know and I will take another look.  Qcne  (talk)  10:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

10:26, 12 July 2024 review of submission by ExoField
Hi, can someone briefly review this and see if it sounds promotional or not and if it is ready for submission. I'd also appreciate any advice for improvements. Thank you. ExoField (talk) 10:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to submit it for review we don't do pre-review reviews! Theroadislong (talk) 10:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh.. I see. Can I at least get a confirmation if it sounds promotional or not.
 * Thanks. ExoField (talk) 10:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ExoField without making any comment on if the University meets our WP:NSCHOOL criteria, I would say it is written in a fairly neutral way.  Qcne  (talk)  11:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you. By the way, I'd appreciate if you made a comment on whether the University meets the WP:NSCHOOL criteria or not. ExoField (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it just about does.
 * Please remove the Google Maps reference (we don't use Google Maps as a source).  Qcne  (talk)  11:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you so much. ExoField (talk) 12:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, sorry to bother you, is it ready for submission? Can I submit it now? ExoField (talk) 12:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ExoField I have submitted it and accepted it for you. :)  Qcne  (talk)  12:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I got caught off-guard a bit, I thought this was supposed to take many days. Thank you so much.
 * Also, are you well-versed in geography, by chance? I have a couple of questions regarding a canal Wikipedia page. Again, thanks a lot, I really appreciate the help.
 * Warm Regards. ExoField (talk) 12:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not particularly an expert in Geography, but am pretty experienced in reviewing and editing articles - what's the question?  Qcne  (talk)  12:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There's this article here: Upper Swat Canal
 * It was tagged with not being notable enough under geographic guidelines by a much more experienced editor. I've went over the geographic guidelines and understood the point. Now, this canal has a couple of books written on it and it almost always has a separate section in the references which are currently present in the article. Hasn't notability been established? I originally thought the issue was that there weren't enough references, is it the quality of the reference which creates the issue? I'd appreciate any guidelines here.
 * By the way, I'm 100% sure that this article is notable, it's the largest, most important canal in North-Western Pakistan, but I'm finding a bit of trouble finding sources which highlight its importance which aren't written in a blog post. There are a lot of references dating back to the early 1900s which mention that it will be one of the most important canals in the future, but all of it is used in future tense.
 * Thanks for reading. ExoField (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've had a look at the references given, and I agree it meets notability! I will remove the tag.  Qcne  (talk)  13:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ExoField (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

10:59, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Mahendra Umesh Nayaka
How can i publish this article Mahendra Umesh Nayaka (talk) 10:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mahendra Umesh Nayaka: you cannot, it has been rejected (and previously deleted after an AfD discussion, I might add).
 * Have you previously edited under a different account, by any chance? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * no i have not UnknownHistoryFacts (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

11:29, 12 July 2024 review of submission by UnknownHistoryFacts
i wonder why my article has been deleted. I got accused of vandalism, however, this story is true. Just because it isn't in history books or anything doesn't mean that it never happened. John H Backflip was a relative of mine and this story has been going round in my family for ions. it really means a lot to me and my family if it would stay on wikipedia, because i would like to share this story with the world. There are a LOT of vandals on this site, and their pages sometimes stay up, but my page, that isn't meant to be funny got taken down. I would really appriciate it if you can take another look. UnknownHistoryFacts (talk) 11:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @UnknownHistoryFacts: it hasn't been deleted. It soon will be, though. Let's leave it at that, okay? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * here is proof of the existance of john backflip UnknownHistoryFacts (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Can't speak for others, but there is zero chance I'm going to click on some random link like that.
 * Sources have to be published, and reliable, and we need to see several of them. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeffed (it was just a Facebook reels meme)  Qcne  (talk)  11:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @UnknownHistoryFacts Creating hoxes on Wikipedia is not permitted, and your account will be blocked from editing if you continue.  Qcne  (talk)  11:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * it's not a hoax, here is proof of the existence of John Backflip UnknownHistoryFacts (talk) 11:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Existence is irrelevant. We're looking for evidence that reliable sources have written about John Backflip. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 15:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

11:41, 12 July 2024 review of submission by 185.252.40.36
Hello, I wrote an article about a Turkish entrepreneur. It was declined because of the lack of references at some parts of the article. I got my info about the person at a live event that her company hosted a few months ago. How can I add proof about the person's life in this situation. I would appreciate if you can help me with my first article. 185.252.40.36 (talk) 11:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor. In order to meet our verifiability requirements, all information about a person in a Wikipedia article must be based on published reliable sources. This could include interviews, newspaper articles, books, etc, but you specifically cannot use anything which is not published.  Qcne  (talk)  11:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I assume you're ? In which case, please remember to log into your account whenever editing.
 * At this event, did they convey all the information in such a promotional manner, or did you put your own spin on it?
 * I noticed that you've also created a draft on the other co-founder of the business, Draft:Bülent Tekmen. What is your relationship with these people and/or the business? If you attended their event, and ended up writing articles on both individuals, there's probably a reason for that? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My friend works in their company. That is why I attended their event. They didn't tell me their story personally. It was a general story-telling and evaluation of the company session. I didn't know what to write about in my first article and they looked like a fun couple so I chose them. I don't think it should be a problem because I'm not trying to promote them but if it sounds promotional I can edit the text to make it more neutral. Venusedit (talk) 08:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please note that ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

13:18, 12 July 2024 review of submission by 24.45.213.68
How can we get this page posted? There seems to be enough reputable sources. A similar company to ours is on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DocuWare 24.45.213.68 (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You cannot, please read Articles_for_deletion/Square_9_Softworks. The draft has been rejected and will no longer be considered.  Qcne  (talk)  13:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

13:20, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Roblox678956568
THIS PAGE IS ALWAYS REJECTED SO I MADE A MISTAKE I DONT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS BAD PAGE ANYWAYS CAN U DELETE THIS PAGE INSTEAD Roblox678956568 (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please do not shout. I have requested deletion.  Qcne  (talk)  13:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

13:24, 12 July 2024 review of submission by The Summum Bonum
To whom it may concern need to delete my drafts need thy assistance Your guidance is at my mercy truly yours The Summum Bonum (talk) 13:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Assuming nobody has made any significant edits (i.e. edits that aren't copy-edits, null edits, or draft reviews), you can tag it for deletion with . —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 15:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your help The Summum Bonum (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

13:41, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Gautamparmaraone
why my draft deleted Gautamparmaraone (talk) 13:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Because it's spam, @Gautamparmaraone.  Qcne  (talk)  13:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

15:13, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Robert20654
Dear Sirs. Please I need help to format the Accolades Table. I did som,ething wrong and now I don't know ho to fix the prolem that I caused. In particular some cells "Nominated" don't show correctly. Some cells "Won" are in the wrong column. It seems thare is an extra column at right, that I don't know how to delete. Thank you very much. Robert20654 Robert20654 (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Robert20654 you need to compare the rows that display correctly with those which do not. Change the first incorrectly displaying row to match a row which displays correctly. Then use PREVIEW to see the effect. If it has solved the first one, submit/save.
 * Do the same with the next.
 * Sometimes solving the first one will solve the rest. This means that you should go down the table, correcting one at a time. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

16:44, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Adamcat222
We received feedback that the subject was not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The subject is one of the largest hedge funds in the world. We have sited multiple large news sources. What else are we missing? What can we add? Adamcat222 (talk) 16:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Who is "we"? User accounts are strictly single person use, the draft was rejected it will not be considered further. Theroadislong (talk) 16:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You also need to disclose your evident conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Odds are you cited the sources based on their outlet; we have to judge sources based as much on their content as well. Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked below as "critiques"):
 * I cannot assess either Barrons source or either Bloomberg source (walled). A reviewer with access to these sources will need to assess them.
 * https://commercialobserver.com/2023/05/valley-forge-relocates-to-miamis-one-biscayne-tower/ is useless for notability (routine coverage). Real estate/HQ move news.
 * I cannot assess https://www.pionline.com/largest-hedge-funds/2023/full-list (walled) but from what I can see this looks like it would be useless for notability (too sparse) as this appears to be just a list. A reviewer with access to this source will need to confirm my suspicions.
 * We don't cite government documents by dint of them being government documents and thus primary sources.
 * https://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-investing-strategy-from-warren-buffett-disciple-dev-kantesaria-2019-9 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Prose-style interview with company principal that lacks a substantial lede.
 * https://valueinvestorinsight.com/Content_Free/investor-insight-standing-out-october-2019.aspx is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Q&A interview with company principal that lacks a substantial lede.
 * https://www.hedgeweek.com/compounding-machines-cigar-butt-stocks-appeal-bond-ratings-agencies/ is useless for notability (wrong topic). This is more about Kantesaria (the aforementioned company principal) and his investment strategies. Coverage of the man is not equivalent to coverage of the company.
 * https://finance.yahoo.com/news/only-finance-stocks-matter-valley-002115423.html seems OK. You should cite the original source (or an archive thereof) on Insider Monkey.
 * Other than the Yahoo/Insider Monkey source, the others I could assess are of no use for notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 18:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

19:11, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Ricrickey
Why was this declined Ricrickey (talk) 19:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ricrickey: why was a blank page rejected? I guess because it was blank. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it was a viable encyclopaedic article?  Qcne  (talk)  19:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That makes sense Ricrickey (talk) 19:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m new here I have no clue how this works Ricrickey (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Ricrickey, have a read of WP:YFA.  Qcne  (talk)  19:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * He, Ricrickey. I always advise new editors to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent several weeks (at least) working in Wikipedia and learning about how it works. Would you take up tennis and immediately enter a major tournament? Would you try building a house when you have no housebuilding experience?
 * Once you have an understanding of funbamental principles such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable sources, and notability, then it might be worth reading your first article and giving it a go. Until then, trying to create an article is going to be a disappointing and frustrating experience, as you probably won't understand the feedback you get.
 * Note that creating articles is not the only way, or necessarily the best way, to contribute to Wikipedia. I've been here for nineteen years, made nearly 25 thousand edits, but I've only ever created 14 articles (and some of those were just redirects or disambiguation pages). ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

21:45, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Abdelalinour
hello what i should do to creat my own biography ? Abdelalinour (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , First of all, writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Your draft lacks valid references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to you. Interviews are not independent and do not establish notability. I suggest that you abandon this effort, although I wish you well in your entertainment career. Cullen328 (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

21:47, 12 July 2024 review of submission by 1-335 Warriors
I created a page that is for an active duty army battalion. The page was not approved to be published and I don't understand why. Our higher headquarters at the Army level (3 echelons up), Division level (2 echelons up) and Brigade level (1 echelon up), both have approved pages. They are First Army, First Army Division East, and 157th Infantry Brigade respectively. Our battalion is even mentioned on the 157th Infantry Brigade as a subordinate battalion. The source that I provided is used to populate our entire page. The notification didn't mention what part of the page was not supported by an article.

Thanks for your help. 1-335 Warriors (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , your draft completely lacks valid references to reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to this battalion. One Wikipedia article is not a legitimate source for another Wikipedia article, per WP:CIRCULAR. Most battalions are not notable as Wikipedia defines that term. The few that are notable are the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, such as books or journal articles by respected military historians. Cullen328 (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

21:59, 12 July 2024 review of submission by Win8x
Hey there. I understand why my draft was declined and I am not contesting that. While I will try to find more sources, are my non-independent sources, 2 and 3, completely out of the question or can I keep them? Yes, they do contain interviews but what I use the sources for isn't the information from the interviews (rather, I use what the authors themselves of the articles say about the company). Thank you! Win8x (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Win8x! The difficulty here is that we can't be certain whether the authors got that information from the owners, or whether they did some research on their own. Since we don't know, we must assume that the information is not reliable. Interviews can sometimes be used for very basic facts that would not be disputed by any reasonable person, but I would recommend forgetting about the interviews and having a look for more sources that have no connection whatsoever to the owners. Good luck with your draft, and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thank you! Win8x (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

22:54, 12 July 2024 review of submission by 91.105.102.125
Dear Customer Support,

My submission was rejected without stating a reason, as I am sure that my submission does not violate Wikipedia's rules. Is there a possibility to get a reason for cancellation and work it through?

Best, Naruba. 91.105.102.125 (talk) 22:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your draft is in Russian and this is the English Wikipedia. We can only accept submissions in the English language. Your draft is also unreferenced, which violates the the core content policy Verifiability. Cullen328 (talk) 01:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, this is not "customer support". We are unpaid volunteers here and you are not a customer. Cullen328 (talk) 01:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Naruba, please remember to log in when using Wikipedia.
 * You perhaps wanted to post this on Russian Wikipedia? But I doubt that they would accept it there without any sources. A search for "Jyllandsgade 5 Struer" turned up nothing at all about a band, so I doubt whether the band meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)