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= July 4 =

01:43, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Love o3oz
I am having a hard time trying to find sufficient sources for Duvalín despite its prevalence in Mexico. Help Love o3oz (talk) 01:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Love o3oz if the only source cited right now is the only one you could find, the topic is probably not notable.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 01:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

05:21, 4 July 2024 review of submission by VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004
i have created the draft with all the necessary info regarding TMS before Kyokuichi however how long does it take to get approved? VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 05:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004: there's no way of telling, depends on when a reviewer comes along to review it. You only submitted this a week ago, and as it says on top of the draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,112 pending submissions waiting for review." -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

06:07, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Happypanda0720
After drafting, I resubmitted it reflecting the feedback. But why isn't it still uploaded? What additional modifications should I make? Happypanda0720 (talk) 06:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Happypanda0720: I don't know what "uploaded" means, do you mean published? Drafts are only published in the encyclopaedia when (if) they are approved. This draft was declined on 14 June, and hasn't been submitted since, so it is not currently even pending another review, unless/until you resubmit it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * But there is no point in submitting it in its present form: you have added three sources, two of them from Daeil, and the third, by the look of it, a mere listing.
 * Unless you can find at least three sources each of which is reliably published, wholly independent of Daeil, and contains significant coverage of Daiel, not just routine business information, you are wasting your time and everybody else's. You can check each of your proposed sources against WP:42.
 * If you can find such sources, then you probably need to start again, because you should write a summary of what those sources say, not what the company wants to say, or from what you personally know about the company.
 * You also must reply urgently to the two separate queries on your user talk page about your relationship with the company, or you risk having your account blocked for misuse of editing privileges (see WP:PAID). ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You also must reply urgently to the two separate queries on your user talk page about your relationship with the company, or you risk having your account blocked for misuse of editing privileges (see WP:PAID). ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

06:37, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Quillandinksociety
I have seen wikipedia with no quality content, citations and references. those pages are doing just fine. wikipedia moderators are taking bribes from companies to publish pages and demotivating genuine users to post their content if there is no bribe involved. This is the ground reality. Quillandinksociety (talk) 06:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok then.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 06:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Quillandinksociety: please stop going around accusing others of bribe-taking etc., personal attacks are not tolerated here and are a surefire way to get yourself blocked. And that's on top of your spamming. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a very serious accusation, and it requires serious evidence. Please present your evidence as described at Paid-contribution disclosure- or withdraw the claim. 331dot (talk) 07:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

07:30, 4 July 2024 review of submission by 46.190.72.218
Thank you for the comments. I think I did the necessary changes citing sources and removing external links. My sources are major international art magazines,major museum mages and international exhibitions pages. Are these considered reliable sources? If not what other sources do you propose for a contemporary Greek artist? Since Wikipedia does not list many contemporary Greek artists it would be helpful for me to know more and add more artists in the future. About the work section do you find the citations long? Would you prefer a shorter mention without putting quotes like "writer Stephanie Bailey" or "in an interview the artist has stated" etc? As for example in Wikipedia page for FYTA. Thank you in advance. 46.190.72.218 (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Remember to log in when posting. I fixed your link for proper display(it lacked the "Draft:" portion). 331dot (talk) 07:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You have resubmitted the draft and it is pending; the reviewer will leave you feedback. 331dot (talk) 07:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are three requirements for sources to be used to establish notability: reliability is only one of them. The other two are independence and significant coverage.
 * I haven't looked at your sources, but when you talk about "major museum mages and international exhibitions pages", I immediately think that you are talking about museums and exhibitions who have displayed this artist's work. If that is the case, then those sources are not independent, cannot contribute to establishing that the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and may be used only to support uncontroversial factual data, such as that the artist's work was exhibited at this museum on those dates. Unless there are also independent sources for that particular exhibition, I wonder why it is encyclopaedic enough to appear in the article? ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

08:45, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Jeo Ayapana
cause i need this information Jeo Ayapana (talk) 08:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jeo Ayapana: this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

12:01, 4 July 2024 review of submission by 106.201.241.199
Correction in Title as "Indian Drugs" the current title is wrong (India Drugs) 106.201.241.199 (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter, as speedy deletion has been requested, so the wrong title will soon vanish along with the wrong draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

15:39, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Lionel888555
Hi

This article has been declined due to "Several sections are unsourced". Could you please point me toward which section needs more sources? Is it the filmography, books, paper..?

Thank you for you help Lionel888555 (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I think that's only part of the issue. The draft reads like a cirriculum vitae, which we do not accept. As to the text:
 * "[Princigalli] was born in Bari on August 24, 1968 and moved to Montreal in January 2003." - Source?
 * "Despite his father's work, his family lived for a long time in public housing and later in a state building for public employees." - Source?
 * "In Italy he was a member of the [Italian Youth Communist Federation] and of the La Pantera student movement (for which he was a delegate to the national assembly in Florence)." - Source?
 * "He was a leader of the [Italian Cultural and Recreative Association][...]" - Source?
 * "[Princigalli] graduated in Political Science with a thesis directed by the sociologist Franco Cassano." - Source?
 * "He later studied documentary cinema with Carlo Alberto Pinelli, anthropological cinema with Annie Comolli, and screenwriting with Giuseppe Piccioni and Umberto Contarello." - Need a source for each of these.
 * —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply I will see  what I can do to improve Lionel888555 (talk) 18:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

16:31, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Paulanthonylevi
Hello, Hi,

I recently submitted an article draft for Tobias Dray, which was declined due to concerns about the reliability of sources and notability criteria. The decline notice mentioned that my references did not adequately demonstrate significant coverage from reliable, independent sources.

I have reviewed similar articles, such as the one on Verzache, which seem to use a comparable range of sources and references. Could you please provide more detailed guidance on what specific aspects of my references or sources were insufficient?

Here is a brief overview of the references I used:

Anime News Network - Announced Tobias Dray's collaboration project. Flaunt Magazine - Premiered Tobias Dray's visual for "Twice". The FADER - Listed one of Tobias Dray's songs as one of the best rock songs. Nettwerk Music Group - Profiled Tobias Dray. Ones To Watch - Featured an article on Tobias Dray. EARMILK - Reviewed Tobias Dray’s song "FUK IT". Genius - Credits for Tobias Dray's work. HiphopKR - Covered Tobias Dray's EP. 360 Magazine - Reviewed Tobias Dray's work. The Guardian - Discussed the revival of drum and bass

I would greatly appreciate your assistance in identifying how I can improve my submission. Any detailed feedback or pointers on how to address the issues raised would be extremely helpful.

Thank you for your time and assistance. Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Unless "His artistic evolution is marked by an unpredictable trajectory, making it impossible to predict what he will explore next." is a quote it is inappropriate tone for an encyclopaedia and creating a TikTok account to promote his music and branding is clearly not even worth mentioning as it confers zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * TikTok wasn't used as a reference, SocialBlade was to indicate numbers. Others Wikipedia pages uses that reference as well to input metrics Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry wrong topic! Yes you are right thank you so much for your help! Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Paulanthonylevi: Twitter and the Genius 'community answers' are user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, comparing to other articles is not helpful, as they may well have issues which haven't been picked up yet. In any case, we don't assess drafts by reference to articles that may exist out there, but rather to the currently applicable guidelines and policies. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * TikTok wasn't used as a reference, SocialBlade was to indicate numbers. Others Wikipedia pages uses that reference as well to input metric Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Got you, thank you. Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Got you, thank you Paulanthonylevi (talk) 16:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

18:27, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Edelmiro Lopez
Bonjour. I would like to have this draft for a "speedy deletion". No better sources available for me than what I have already given. The text is now in my sandbox but it will probably take years before new sources will appear for me. Merci beaucoup. --Edelmiro Lopez (talk) 18:27, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You can tag the draft for deletion with . —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 18:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Merci, thank you very much. --Edelmiro Lopez (talk) 09:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

19:09, 4 July 2024 review of submission by Cisaa11
Hello. I'd like to know why this subject is not notable enough, like what is the criteria that Freshly Shopping did not pass. Also, why was this rejected even before the article was submitted for review? Cisaa11 (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Cisaa11: Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a place to tell the world about something you made up one day.
 * And I rejected it c. 20 minutes after it was submitted, not before. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It was correctly rejected after you submitted it (see the edit history) the topic is clearly not notable in Wikipedia terms. Theroadislong (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

22:25, 4 July 2024 review of submission by M Hanan Asif
I would like to create an article about Win-Doors INT LTD a business in south-east London however it keeps getting declined. I have all the information about it yet I still cannot publish it. M Hanan Asif (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @M Hanan Asif! Unfortunately your draft has now been rejected, which means it will not be published unless you can find some very convincing new sources. You cannot use any sources that are connected to the company - not their website, not their suppliers' websites, not interviews with the owner or CEO or anyone else - and the find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk pages are also no good for your draft. What you need is outlined in WP:42 - significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic (the company, in this case). Look for things like newspaper articles about the company, articles that someone has written just because they were interested in the company, without any input from anyone in the company. If you can't find at least three sources that fit all the WP:42 criteria, we can't publish an article on the subject. If you do find three or more suitable sources, you should then completely rewrite the draft using only the information in those sources, and then politely ask the last reviewer of your draft if they'd be willing to look again. Good luck, and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 00:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you.
 * Can you give me a few weeks then to sort this out? M Hanan Asif (talk) 00:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Take as long as you'd like. There's no deadline.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 02:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) M Hanan Asif (talk) 09:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)