Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2024 June 13

= June 13 =

02:20, 13 June 2024 review of submission by AZaMas
I created an entirely new artist page and tried saving the draft. For some reason, it doesn't let me. I cannot see the article or edit anything. Please help AZaMas (talk) 02:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 *   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 05:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

04:27, 13 June 2024 review of submission by HarryNewart
HOW. you were saying it wasn't notable even though i knew it was. Now there exists a page on this topic! even though i made it first! HarryNewart (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * No, they were saying the article's sourcing was not up to standard. Any content on living or recently-deceased people MUST be sourced to an in-depth, third-party source that corroborates the claim, especially so for anything involving claims someone committed a crime. And honestly, this is something new users should be staying far away from. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 07:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

08:00, 13 June 2024 review of submission by FRAIOLI73
Dear all, my submission was rejected. However, I followed the same structure, style and I provided the same sources of another submission that instead is accepted and published (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamshed_Bomanji). Can you please tell me what it is different? Any help would be useful.

FRAIOLI73 (talk) 08:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @FRAIOLI73 first of all, it it an autobiography, which is strongly discouraged. The references are also improperly formatted, see Help:Referencing for beginners. The sources also do not establish notability, as all of them are from places you have worked. Please see our notability guidelines for academics.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 08:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That draft was never actually reviewed. It was moved to mainspace by its original author. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 08:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @FRAIOLI73: this draft has a number of issues, but the reason why it was declined (not 'rejected', which would mean the end of the road) is insufficient referencing. There is content which is not supported by citations, and at least in one case the source cited doesn't seem to support the content.
 * Note that we don't assess drafts by comparison to existing articles, many of which can also have their own problems, but rather by reference to the applicable guidelines and policies. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

08:46, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Mirkha Shahbaz
i don't understand why my article is rejected. plz, tell me what changes should I have to make to make it acceptable. plz, highlight the mistake. Mirkha Shahbaz (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mirkha Shahbaz I'm assuming you're referring to User:Mirkha Shahbaz/sandbox, instead of Pakistan. The topic is already covered by the Necrocapitalism article, so it would be better if you improved the existing article instead.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 08:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The draft seems to be about a different topic, 'neurocapitalism'? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ahh.. right.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 09:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mirkha Shahbaz: FWIW, I also would have declined this, albeit for a different reason, namely lack of evidence of notability. A single sources is not enough to show that the concept is widely enough discussed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

11:50, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Shsalami
Hello, Thanks for the quick rejection! You rejected this article before my submission for review! Can it be submitted by extending and adding more references or is it rejected because I am the author of the base method? Anyway, the promotion of a method is not an advertisement! Please clarify the reason.

Regards Dr. Shahram Salami

Shsalami (talk) 11:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Shsalami. Your draft isn't a suitable topic for Wikipedia, as it seems to just be an academic paper you wrote. Wikipedia is not an academic paper repository.  Qcne  (talk)  11:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

12:31, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Mother10
I have read about COI. And I think people might find I am too connected to Ancestris to write about it. I am one of the volunteers for this program, writing the Dutch documentation there. I saw sofar no Wikipedia page for the Ancestris program existed. So I decided to write one or at least to write anything here. I am trying to be as objective as possible. So not advertising but just describe.

I take the Gramps page as an example (also a genealogy program) and that page is accepted, so if i try to do it the same way i hope its acceptable too. So I would appreciate if i can get some advise about how to proceed. Its still draft, because it misses a lot and many links should be added to make it follow the wikipedia standards.

Thanks for reading, Tineke Mother10 (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Since you have read about COI, please make the needed disclosure. "Just describe" is a form of advertising, at least on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a topic. Any article about Ancestris must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.
 * You haven't submitted it yet, but if you were, it most likely would not be accepted, because it just tells about it, it doesn't summarize what independent reliable sources say about it. If no such sources exist, this topic would not merit an article. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment, I will try to follow what you said and read a bit more the articles you pointed to.
 * The only problem I have is that Ancestris is not so wellknown, so those sources might be difficult to find.
 * A bit like the chicken and the egg. But I give it a try. Mother10 (talk) 12:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. Wikipedia summarizes what others already say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

12:46, 13 June 2024 review of submission by MANISHSWAMI01
how can i start same article MANISHSWAMI01 (talk) 12:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @MANISHSWAMI01 The "same article"? Don't. The draft was deleted under G11, meaning it was blatant promotion.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that it was blatant promotion, and largely unsourced. Are you associated with this individual? 331dot (talk) 12:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * how can i create another article on same subject. MANISHSWAMI01 (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't.  Qcne  (talk)  13:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please answer my question. You need to learn more about Wikipedia and what we do here before you attempt to write another article. Please see the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 14:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

13:16, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Alban2024
I need some help here, the Luan_Muça is a well know businessman in Albania and mention in a lot of independent websites Alban2024 (talk) 13:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Alban2024 where has Luan been mentioned in reliable independent websites?  Qcne  (talk)  13:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Here I am listing some:
 * https://seenews.com/companies/company_profile/delta-sha-438886
 * https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/delta-corporation-launches-global-expansion-the-entrepreneurial-odyssey-of-luan-mua-and-dc-industries-1033250073
 * https://www.voxnews.al/english/aktualitet/e-pushtuar-nga-flaket-kush-eshte-pronari-i-deutsch-color-5-fabrika-ne-i48882/
 * https://tvklan.al/e-pushtuar-nga-flaket-cili-eshte-industrialisti-i-deutsch-color-luan-muca
 * https://top-channel.tv/2023/09/24/5-fabrika-ne-3-kontinente-industrialisti-luan-muca-ne-pak-vite-zgjeroi-deutche-color/
 * There is also a page in Albanian Wikipedia about it. https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luan_Mu%C3%A7a
 * Also this is the official website of Albanian Government that mention it in this article (16 February 2016): https://www.kryeministria.al/en/newsroom/politikat-fiskale-rritje-te-eksporteve-e-punesimit-per-bisnesin-e-madh/ Alban2024 (talk) 07:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Alban2024 I took a look at those sources and none of them are indpendent or reliable:
 * Company info, not significant coverage.
 * Written by Muca himself (see bottom), not independent.
 * Significant coverage, but seems to be a fake copy of Vox (the logos are different)
 * Seems to be a copy of the fake Vox source
 * Also seems to be a copy.
 * The government website isn't WP:SIGCOV either; it only mentions Muca once and is more about the company than him. Wikipedia in different languages have different notability standards, and the current sources do not establish notability here.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes the government website is not .gov.al but I can say for sure it is official website of prime minister of Albania. (check the home page)
 * voxnews .al is an Albanian news website which write in English.
 * you can check tvkan or top-channel websites, those are the top media tv and websites in Albania.
 * Probably article is not written as it might be but I strongly believe that Luan Muca is an successful businessman in Albania, with a large contribution so I think it deserve an article page in English Wikipedia. (like Samir Mane or other Category:Albanian businesspeople
 * Is any way, for edit it the article in order to be correct and approved here?
 * Thanks for the help :) Alban2024 (talk) 07:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Alban2024: he may well be a successful businessman, but that isn't a criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia.
 * BTW, what is your interest in this subject, are you acquainted with him, or have you been asked to write this article? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To be honest, Yes, I know him in person but I am not paid or asked for doing this. As someone which working on technology, (I work as software development, I don't have a lot of experience on Wikipedia) I thought it deserve a Wikipedia article like the other business people in Albania.
 * The fact that I know him in person, I don't think it is a problem. I have tried to write the article in a way not to be "promotion" but just to summarise the facts that are now public domains.
 * Please let me know if I am wrong? :) Alban2024 (talk) 08:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you know him personally, you have a conflict of interest that you must disclose, see WP:COI for instructions. Not every businessman merits a Wikipedia article, and articles are not for merely summarizing facts. An article must summarize significant coverage of the person that discusses how the source sees the person as important/significant/influential as a person. Does this man have unique business strategies that have influenced others? Do independent sources discuss their impact on Albania? Things like that. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Does this man have unique business strategies that have influenced others? Yes, correct, this is why I am writing the article. This is an example to follow
 * Do independent sources discuss their impact on Albania? Yes, They do!
 * I have no problem to disclose, I mean the fact that I know him...
 * So what you suggest, shall I edit the text, disclose the fact that I know him in person and resubmit for approval?
 * Thanks Alban2024 (talk) 09:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Alban2024: please make the disclosure on your user page as instructed in the message posted on your talk page, then carry on editing the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok! I did!
 * I also add the citation of the article on government website.
 * Shall I submit for review?
 * once more, thank you for your help Alban2024 (talk) 11:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Alban2024: I don't know where you (think you) made the disclosure, but I can't find anything in either of the two obvious places, your user page User:Alban2024 or the draft talk page Draft talk:Luan Muça. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, I found it, you had put the disclosure in the draft itself. I've moved it to your user page, which is where that particular template is only used. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: OP blocked as a sock. --Finngall talk  14:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

13:17, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Ali4abs
Hi, This is my first time trying to contribute, can somebody tell me what is wrong with this article? It is a copy of the German version of the Wikipedia page. So I am not sure why it was rejected. It has all the reputable sources as well. Ali4abs (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ali4abs: I can't tell you why it was declined for the reason that it was, but I can tell you why I would have declined it. The sources (which aren't cited correctly, and are just inline external links, but still) don't show that the subject is notable in Wikipedia terms. Per WP:ORG, we need to see significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * PS: Worth noting also that each language version of Wikipedia is an entirely separate project with their own policies and requirements. Just because an article has been accepted into one version doesn't mean it will be necessarily accepted into another one. The English-language Wikipedia has almost certainly the strictest criteria for notability and verifiability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * First, thank you for the response. At least It is not more clear why a German version of the same entry can be accepted but not the english one. Can somebody ellaborate how I can show existence of a research institute with significant coverage? For example, In Germany we have many Helmholtz Assosciations. Out of 18 centers, 16 have Wikipedia entry in English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_Association). I was trying to add the 17th association entry. So I doubt the reason is notability. Unless I am missing something here.
 * I did not know I was not allowed to do inline citation, I guess I have to read the citation guides carefuly then. Most sources are also very reliable sources at least in Germany? (sr.de (which is the public broadcaster of the state of saarland), helmholtz.de (which is homepage of Helmholtz Assosciation announcing the new center), saarland.de (which is the website of state of Saarland, literally official government page), IHK aka Germany Chamber of Commerce)). So I am not sure as a German, beside inline citation issue I could guess the sources are not reliable and therefore causes the rejection. Is there a guideline one what is a reliable source in Germany for English Wikipedia? Ali4abs (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ali4abs, a few things:
 * RE: "I doubt the reason is notability" – just to clarify, this draft wasn't declined for notability reasons; I was saying that's why I would have declined it. And even I'm not saying that the subject isn't notable, I'm saying the sources currently cited don't prove that it is notable. It may well be, but this isn't evident. The evidence we need to see is described in the relevant notability guideline WP:ORG.
 * RE: "I did not know I was not allowed to do inline citation" – no, you are more or less required to do inline citations; you are not allowed to do inline external links, which is what you've done. You can reference the same external resources, but instead of just pointing to them with a link, you cite them using the appropriate citation template, eg. cite web. See WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice.
 * RE: "Most sources are also very reliable sources at least in Germany" – I'm not (necessarily) saying that your sources aren't reliable; I'm saying they don't meet the full criteria of a source which contributes towards notability per WP:ORG, namely being at once reliable, and entirely independent of the subject, and secondary (newspapers, magazines, TV and radio programmes, books, etc.), and providing significant coverage of the subject. In other words, reliability is important, but it isn't enough.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

14:29, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Embassyhunl
The submission was declined. The page of the previous ambassador András Kocsis was not. Please let me know which changes I need to make to the draft in order for it to be accepted. Thank you in advance, kind regards Embassyhunl (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * András Kocsis was never drafted, and I'm likely going to send it to WP:Articles for deletion if I can't find any sources for it. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As for you and your draft, you are obligated to disclose your employment if it involves editing Wikipedia, and your draft is horribly undersourced, as is the article on Kocsis. Content about living people is held to a much stricter standard than most other content on Wikipedia, and the dearth of sourcing here wouldn't meet even the lower threshold for non-biographical, non-medical topics. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 16:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

14:41, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Gabriel601
What is wrong with the article.  Gabriel  (talk to me )  14:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gabriel601 only musicians who meet our special notability criteria for musicians merit an article on Wikipedia. You did not demonstrate notability. If you feel there has been a gross error or that you have improved the draft since the rejection, please reach out to @SafariScribe  Qcne  (talk)  14:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

17:24, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Dgatopoulos
I want to submit my article please Dgatopoulos (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You just need to click the "submit your draft for review!" button on the screen at the bottom(I would suggest placing the text of your draft below it, not above it as it is now) but if you did so, it would be declined quickly, as it is completely unsourced. See WP:REFB. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

18:18, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Mightythos77
My submission has been rejected for a third time, for "insufficient" content and encouraged to be merged with another tiny and incomplete draft. This is ridiculous. I spent the last few weeks trying to bring it in line with the "Manual of Style" and it has 40 different and verifiable sources and far more content in every way possible. I am aware of the existence of the original page in the Draft space, but it is meant to be a placeholder for what I put together and the author of that particular draft knows this. That page was rejected previously at the author's request. My biggest mistake when I began was to work in the "sandbox" rather than in that "Draft" page and I am sorry for that.

But please, can someone look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Felix_Albrecht_Harta_(2) and the other one without the 2, and compare and let me know where I should go from here. Thank you. Mightythos77 (talk) 18:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted.  Declined means that it may be resubmitted. 331dot (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mightythos77 (talk) 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't cite Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 18:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You are talking about the three names who are on the German language Wikipedia, yes? The German language Wikipedia comes up as an external site when linked in the main body and I was told on my talk page to move all external links to the citations section. I could move them back to the main body where they were, or delete the links totally but what then? I don't want three unlinked names to be the reason it gets declined again. Mightythos77 (talk) 19:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can actually do those as inter-wiki internal links, e.g. Alois Grasmayr. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 19:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That worked, thank you! Mightythos77 (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

21:11, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Shinaimm
Emily is well known. Her page was rewrite few months ago and wasn't reviewed. Can someone please review it? Thanks Shinaimm (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Shinaimm We do not review on request. "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,334 pending submissions waiting for review." Hard as this may seem, reviewers each have different ways of working, and it is not a queue. Please continue to improve the draft while you await review. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

23:02, 13 June 2024 review of submission by Stoja2024
My first draft of this page was declined with this reason "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources.". The sources I have used are considered very reputable in the Art world in Australia, also the newspaper cited is one of the main papers in Victoria, Australia. I just made a minor edit to include links to one of the main public galleries in Australia. I have based these sources on wikipedia pages for other Australian artists. If you still consider this inadequate please provide additional details about the inadequacy. Thanks Stoja2024 Stoja2024 (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Stoja2024: the sources may well be reliable, but they don't adequately support the information, as there is quite a lot of unreferenced content – eg. the 'Early life and education' section is entirely unreferenced. In articles on living people (WP:BLP), every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and all private personal and family details must be clearly supported by inline citations to reliable published sources, or else removed. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will fix that. Stoja2024 (talk) 11:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

23:09, 13 June 2024 review of submission by 183.77.158.192
Dear Help Desk,

I would like to create an English version of the following page. Reference page: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%97%E6%9C%AC%E5%BA%B7%E5%85%B5

So far, I have tried to modify it according to the instructions, but in the end it was rejected.

Reference page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electric_design?markasread=317042837&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-SafariScribe-20240613114200-Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_K%C5%8Dhei_Munemoto_(June_13)

How can I post the English version on Wikipedia in the future?

I just want to post an existing Japanese page translated into English.

Thank you. 183.77.158.192 (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Whenever you're planning to translate from other language versions to English, the first thing you need to do is check that the sources in the original article are sufficient to meet our notability and verifiability standards, which are higher than in any other language version that I'm aware of at least. (Either that, or the original article may be so old that standards were more relaxed back when it was created.) If they aren't sufficient, you need to try to find more and/or better sources. If you can't, then there's no point in even starting to translate, as you're likely wasting your time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)