Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2024 June 18

= June 18 =

05:56, 18 June 2024 review of submission by Odishajagarana
What is used for in Wikipedia? Odishajagarana (talk) 05:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Odishajagarana: it's a wikicode markup element that creates a footnote, see H:FOOT.
 * For general editing questions like this, please use the Teahouse or Help desk.
 * And please don't use Wikipedia to promote your YT channel, that's a fast-track route to getting blocked. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

08:23, 18 June 2024 review of submission by WarriorYt43
Hello. I have worked on this draft for months. I believe it is complete and ready to be submitted. However, the reviewer has rejected it twice, and I feel this is unjust. I would appreciate it if someone could fairly review the draft and help me improve it. Thanks! WarriorYt43 (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted.  Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
 * I see no errors in process by the reviewer, and I can't disagree with their assessment. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * My bad for the wording mistake. What should I do now? WarriorYt43 (talk) 08:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to address the issues before re-submitting and note that content like "He comes from a family with a significant military background and brings over 19 years of experience from his military service, where he served in various roles." confers zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 08:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

08:57, 18 June 2024 review of submission by Uohabacasu
A formal request for review is being made regarding the draft article for Hassan Nisar Haripur, a highly accomplished Pakistani entrepreneur, YouTuber, and philanthropist. Despite overwhelming evidence of notability, the article has been inexplicably rejected multiple times by Saqib, without clear justification.

Hassan Nisar Haripur's achievements and coverage in reputable sources unequivocally demonstrate his notability:

- Award-winning entrepreneur - Featured in top Pakistani publications, including The Dawn and The Tribune Wikipedia's policy on award-winning individuals explicitly states that they are eligible for a Wikipedia page (WP:NATIONALAWARD). The provided sources meet the highest standards of credibility, reliability, and relevance.

It is perplexing that Saqib has repeatedly rejected the draft, despite the clear evidence of notability. A thorough review of the article and references is requested to assess whether it meets the necessary criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. The current situation raises concerns about the consistency and fairness of Wikipedia's review process. Uohabacasu (talk) 08:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft:Hassan Nisar Haripur has been declined three times and now rejected, the topic is simply not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence of notability in the draft. None. There is now a source evaluation at Draft talk:Hassan Nisar Haripur to explain this, and I'm afraid you simply have to accept that it's the end of the road for that draft at this time. --bonadea contributions talk 13:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

10:45, 18 June 2024 review of submission by Nirmalraja
I would need help to submit the page Nirmalraja (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Nirmalraja: how do you mean? You've managed to submit it four times already.
 * Also, you need to be more specific than that. What help do you require?
 * As general advice, you must address the reasons for the previous declines before resubmitting, as this is otherwise running the risk of outright rejection. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

10:59, 18 June 2024 review of submission by 2A02:8109:3B40:3AC8:DC6D:41AF:3A5:8878
Can you move that page to the article namespace? 2A02:8109:3B40:3AC8:DC6D:41AF:3A5:8878 (talk) 10:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No it has been declined three times and now finally rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 11:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * When will you move that page to the article namespace? 2A02:8109:3B40:3AC8:DC6D:41AF:3A5:8878 (talk) 11:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Which bit of "rejected" do you find difficult? This draft provides zero evidence of notability, and fails even the most basic verifiability tests. Therefore the answer to your question is – never. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I find some bit of "rejected" difficult. 2A02:8109:3B40:3AC8:DC6D:41AF:3A5:8878 (talk) 12:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Literally all your sources are skyscrapersim.net - specifically its homepage, its user forums, and its wiki. These aren't acceptable sources under any circumstance (all have a connexion to subject and the forum and wiki have no editorial oversight as well). The notes left by the reviewers call out the sources as lacking, and you ignored them. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

14:39, 18 June 2024 review of submission by ElmStreetsLastBrat
The comment left on my draft is perplexing. Several of the sources I cited were magazines, Ms. Gregory's law practice website, and others. She is an actress, so it makes sense to have an IMDb page listed as a source. Her appearances on "The Last Drive-In" and the music video for the band Restless Heart are on YouTube. Often those are reliable sources because she is on screen in "The Last Drive-In" episode, which was a streaming series and she is a featured actress in the Restless Heart music video. ElmStreetsLastBrat (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @ElmStreetsLastBrat: IMDb and YouTube are user-generated and therefore not considered reliable, and Amazon is just a retailer. These collectively account for half the citations in your draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Allow me to welcome your draft to primetime by pointing out why it's getting declined.
 * "[Gregory] was born in Fort Worth, Texas in 1963." - Source? (If you're about to say "The source is at the end of the paragraph!" that doesn't cut it - the source for this claim must be at the end of the sentence containing the claim.)
 * "While in high school, she participated in drama and acting." - Source?
 * "After graduating in 1981, she married and had a daughter." - Source?
 * "She studied acting at The Film Actor's Studio, the KD Studio, and North Lake Junior College." - The source cited here does not support any of these three claims. You need sources that explicitly name the acting schools she studied at.
 * "Gregory has also appeared in several music videos, most notably in the music video for the song The Bluest Eyes in Texas by Restless Heart in 1988." - The first source is just an Internet Archive compilation of Femme Fatale issues; if you're citing a specific article in a specific issue you need to use cite magazine and fill in the last, first, work, date, title, and pages parameters. The second source is YouTube, which we can only cite if (1) the video was produced by an outlet we would ordinarily consider to have editorial control and fact-checking and (2) uploaded to that outlet's verified channel. Music videos are never acceptable sources.
 * "In 1988 Gregory met Joe Bob Briggs and began working on the wildly popular television series Joe Bob's Drive-In Theater from 1988 to 1995." - Source? This is also promotional.
 * "From 1991-2000, Gregory reprised her role of "Honey the Mail Girl" on MonsterVision." - The source here is Joe Bob Briggs' own website and can't be considered usable for notability here (connexion to subject). You need to find a better, more independent, source or remove this claim.
 * "She was also interviewed for the magazine Indianapolis Monthly in December 2000." - The source here is effectively 404-compliant. You need to cite the hardcopy of the magazine in the same fashion as I described for Femme Fatale above. I will note that interviews are generally not usable for notability (connexion to subject).
 * "She discussed her television work with Bloom Magazine in their August/September 2012 issue." - This reference is incomplete (missing pages and author).
 * "[...]Gregory was awarded a full scholarship from Southern Methodist University and graduated with a degree in Business Administration in 1997[...]" - The source here is the law firm's website, which is useless for notability (connexion to subject). You need a better source for this, ideally a news article discussing her life.
 * "[...]and a Master's degree in International Relations and Diplomacy from Schiller International University in London, England." - Source?
 * "Gregory moved to Bloomington, Indiana in 1999 to attend law school at Indiana University." - Source? (Even if it's mentioned by a source you used earlier, that source must be cited here as well.)
 * "Gregory is the author of 37 books, including the "Horror Flix Will Never Die" series as well as several journals and coloring books." - We don't cite Amazon (online storefront). Her publisher(s) would be a better source here.
 * "She is also writing a screenplay that features a strong female leading character." - This is so vacuous as to be meaningless, but it is properly sourced.
 * The "Convention Appearances" section should likely be removed unless there is something actually noteworthy about those appearances. Celebrities stop by cons, particularly bigger ones, all the time.
 * We don't cite AppleTV or Plex (Streaming services). You'd want to find sources that critique her performances on those programmes.
 * Does this help? —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

17:07, 18 June 2024 review of submission by TAD JASPER
Hi. My article was rejected for lack of reliable resources. I believe I have many...can you help me understand what articles are unreliable? Thanks! TAD JASPER (talk) 17:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Your draft was declined, not rejected, which means it may still be improved and resubmitted.
 * It's hard to tell because your citations are all bare URLs, which means that they contain the optional, least important part (a link, if the reference happens to be online) and omits the important parts (title, author, publisher, date) which facilitate judging their usefulness.
 * But it looks to me as if many of them are from galleries and exhibitions which have displayed her work, which means that they are not independent: this is as important a property of sources as reliability.
 * Note that ColinFine (talk) 20:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

21:47, 18 June 2024 review of submission by AleksandraKot94
Issue with Approval of My Article Submission

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I hope this message finds you well.

I am writing to seek assistance regarding an issue I have encountered with the approval process for an article I submitted to the English Wikipedia. The article, Adam Black (polish photographer), was submitted on 18th of June and has not yet been approved.

Despite following all the guidelines and ensuring that the article meets Wikipedia's standards for verifiability, neutrality, and notability, it appears to be facing some obstacles in the review process. I have carefully cited reliable sources and adhered to the formatting and content guidelines, but I am unsure what specific issues are preventing its approval.

Could you please provide me with detailed feedback on what needs to be improved or corrected in the article? Any guidance or suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated, as I am committed to ensuring that the content meets Wikipedia’s standards and can be beneficial to its readers.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Best regards,

Natalia Izydorczyk AleksandraKot94 (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * --ColinFine (talk) 22:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have cited no sources at all for the main part of the article. This is unacceptable in an article about a living person.
 * On a quick look, you have cited no independent sources for all the lists of awards: without independent sources, how can a reader tell whether these are of any significance?
 * Like most people who try the challenging task of creating an article before they have spent any significant time learning what Wikipedia is about, you have produced something that is only superficially like a Wikipedia article. It does not observe the core principals of verifiability, independent sources, or neutral point of view, and it does nothing to establish that the subject meets the criteria of notability, without which an article is not possible.
 * ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So what are these independent sources, because in my opinion I added only independent sources. These are external websites, completely independent of the person the article is about. AleksandraKot94 (talk) 13:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please also indicate places in the article that are not neutral, because I do not know what neutrality you are talking about. The article contains only facts, but if something is written not neutrally, please indicate specific places in the article and clarify it. AleksandraKot94 (talk) 13:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @AleksandraKot94: the User:AleksandraKot94/sandbox draft has been deleted as promotional. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

23:30, 18 June 2024 review of submission by 0iet0
I cannot understand why this draft was rejected, Can I appeal the decision? Can another editor look at this draft and offer an opinion. Contrary to what is said about this draft, it is completely objective. All of the information has been collected from legitimate published sources, both hard copy and digital, all sourced by foot notes. Please read it again carefully and tell me specifically which lines or parts are unacceptable 0iet0 (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Vast swathes of your draft are completely unsourced. EVERY claim that could POTENTIALLY be challenged by a reasonable person MUST be referenced to a strong third-party source independent of the subject that corroborates the claim or, failing that, outright removed. This is not negotiable. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 02:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * First: the draft was declined and not rejected – that distinction is important, because a rejected draft cannot be re-submitted, but a declined draft has a "resubmit" button so you can submit it for another review when you feel that it is ready for that. It looks like you removed a lot of unsourced content after Jéské Couriano's comment. Thank you for doing that. However, the "Notable works" section is still not written in a neutral tone. A lot of the detail could be removed there. --bonadea contributions talk 10:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)