Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2024 June 4

= June 4 =

02:01, 4 June 2024 review of submission by 110.174.214.94
referencing and being declined 110.174.214.94 (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Playing in a top-level or international game no longer guarantees notability (as of Feb 2022), and playing in U## squads never has. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 02:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

03:41, 4 June 2024 review of submission by Guapmachine6
Help improving the draft GuapMachine (talk) 03:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I do not know why it kept getting rejected GuapMachine (talk) 03:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Guapmachine6 the draft was not rejected, but declined (rejected means cannot be resubmitted) for not meeting notability guidelines. Almost none of the sources are usable: we cannot cite other Wikis, Bing search results, nor his bio on websites of companies he has worked for. What it needs is reliable sources that are independent of the subject.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 03:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * okay, thank you I would try to improve it. GuapMachine (talk) 03:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

05:07, 4 June 2024 review of submission by Chanan12
I request assistance because my previous submission was rejected due to formatting and content issues.

I have revised the article to focus on Chanan Zevin's key achievements and contributions, removing unnecessary sections to meet Wikipedia's guidelines.

However, I seek guidance to ensure that the updated article aligns with Wikipedia's verifiability, neutrality, and notability standards.

Your expertise will help refine the article to provide accurate and relevant information about Chanan Zevin's professional background and accomplishments.

Chanan12 (talk) 05:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Chanan12 The draft was rejected for being promotional and will not be considered further. And why are you referring to yourself in third person?   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 05:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your sources are four interviews (connexion to subject), his company's website (connexion to subject), and his LinkedIn (connexion to subject). We can cite none of them. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 05:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chanan12, also the draft is simply an autobiography (see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY). I have helped you run a WP:BEFORE and found 'your article's isn't notable. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 05:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

08:43, 4 June 2024 review of submission by Helena.leijone
I need assistance on how to amend my article to be approved.

Thank you! Helena.leijone (talk) 08:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link for proper display(it lacked the "Draft:" portion). Please see the advice left on your draft by reviewers, and also see the links left by them for more information. If you have specific questions, please ask here. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Much appreciated! Helena.leijone (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

13:30, 4 June 2024 review of submission by 185.247.174.153
The comment justifying rejection is "Several claims are unsourced. Some references are primary." Can the editor be more specific? It would be helpful to know which statements ("claims") in this extensively referenced draft need further support. Some of the basic demographic information does of course come from professional autobiographies created by the subject. I'm not sure what "primary" means in this context (or why secondary sources are preferred, given that by definition they are derived from primary material). Thanks. 185.247.174.153 (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Courtesy ping @Twinkle1990  Qcne  (talk)  13:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Editor,
 * I've pinged the declining review. I would say that for biographies of living people we require every fact, starting with the date of birth, to be referenced. I note there are quite a few unsourced paragraphs throughout.
 * You also have a couple of external links in the body of the text, which you should convert to in-line citations.  Qcne  (talk)  13:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not the reviewer, but I'll gladly do that homework. Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
 * "Voas was born in Evanston, Illinois in 1928." - Source? (Since I see no indication in the article that Voas is dead, everything a reasonable person could challenge must be referenced; "Subject told me" and "just trust me, bro" are not acceptable sources.)
 * "He studied at the University of Chicago (earning a [..bachelor of philosophy degree in 1946)[...]" - Source?
 * "[...A]nd subsequently at UCLA, where he obtained BA and MA degrees in psychology and a PhD in experimental psychology in 1953." - Source?
 * "When the Korean War started, Voas accepted a commission in the US Navy..." - Source?
 * "Following a year at the U.S. Navy Electronics Laboratory (1954) as a Research Associate[...]" - Source?
 * "[...]Voas was assigned to the Navy Research Center, School of Aviation Medicine, at Pensacola, Florida (1955-57)." - Source?
 * "Voas moved to the Navy Medical Research Center in Bethesda, Maryland (1957-58), where he headed the Behavioral Research Branch." - Source?
 * "He worked for Captain Norman Lee Barr[...]" - Source? We also do not allow external links in the body of the text, so the link here needs removed.
 * Most of the paragraph after the above seems out of place here and would fit more in an article on the history of the USA's space programme.
 * "Because Captain Barr was the Navy’s leading expert in high-altitude medicine and Lieutenant Voas was his principal assistant, Voas was transferred to the space program." - Source?
 * "Voas joined NACA in September 1958[...]" Source?
 * "Voas became the Head Astronaut Training Officer." - Source?
 * "As part of the Space Task Group, Voas helped conceptualize the criteria for the selection of the original seven astronauts for Project Mercury." - Source?
 * The rest of the paragraph after the above is, again, out of place and would fit more in an article on the history of the USA's space programme.
 * "Voas became the Training Officer for Project Mercury and Assistant to the Director of the Manned Spacecraft Center." - Source?
 * The rest of the paragraph after the above is, again, out of place and would fit more in an article on the history of the USA's space programme. Drafts need to be laser-foocused on their subject. Short tangents to help provide context as to his work are okay. Victor Hugo-esque filibusters to describe the sewers of Paris are not.
 * "Many years later, Voas received the W. Randolph Lovelace Award for Significant Contribution to Aerospace Medicine." - Source?
 * The rest of the paragraph preceding the above is, again, out of place and would fit more in an article on the history of the USA's space programme.
 * "...Voas joined [the NHTSA] in 1968." - Source?
 * "Voas served as NHTSA’s manager of the Alcohol Safety Research program and as Deputy Director, Evaluator, and Chief Scientist for the $88 million federal ASAP initiative..." - Source? (It doesn't matter if the source at the end of the paragraph has this information, it has to be cited at this spot as well.)
 * "A working group headed by Voas..." - This paragraph could likely be merged with the previous one.
 * "In 1969... Voas introduced the first handheld fuel-cell breath-test devices to the United States[...]" - Source?
 * "[...Voas] managed the development of national standards for evidential breath-test devices..." - Source?
 * "He also prepared the first scientific paper on alcohol safety interlocks (1969)[...]" - Source?
 * "Voas was influential in guiding Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), the major lobbying group, toward evidence-based policy positions." - Source?
 * "Voas was a member of the MADD National Board from 1982 to 1993 and served as an advisor to the Vice President and later to the President of MADD." - Source?
 * "He was subsequently appointed to the MADD National Advisory Committee." - Source?
 * "After leaving government service in 1982[...]" - Source?
 * "[...]Voas was a senior research scientist with the National Public Service Research Institute[...]" - Source?
 * "He served as the Principal Investigator on more than two dozen research contracts for the Department of Transportation (DOT), including several national studies of various sanctions (jail, treatment, vehicle impoundment and forfeiture, and interlocks) for impaired-driving offenders." - Source?
 * "He conducted studies for NHTSA on the effectiveness of a number of types of alcohol safety legislation[...]" - Each and every part of the listing that follows needs to be sourced.
 * "He also was the Principal Investigator for the 1996 National Roadside Survey." - Source?
 * "He was subsequently Principal Investigator on grants..." - Again, each and every part of the listing that follows needs to be sourced.
 * "Voas and colleagues evaluated the impact..." - Redundant with above, 86 this.
 * "Voas was President of ICADTS from 1989 to 1992." - Source? And, again, external link needs to go.
 * "Voas married Carolyn Merry, who was also at UCLA, in 1953." - Source?
 * Omit the names of the kids unless they are themselves notable.
 * The Bibliography section is useless as is.
 * Take a look at the list above, see what sources you already have that can be re-used for that claim and what ones you will need to find a better source for. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello @User:185.247.174.153. I declined the draft after examining it. After  Qcne  (talk)   and Jéské Couriano's reply, I don't think I need to provide more explanation regarding the decline. Furthermore, I am curious to know how you know the subject person? As you are not the page contributor, I want to know whether you have read about WP:COI and WP:UPE? --Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

14:23, 4 June 2024 review of submission by 83.110.196.247
I have directed this film titled "Irani". It is a Tamil Feature film yet to be released. The lead artists are Raj Kumar (Tamil) and Jayani Weerasinghe. This is a movie from Sri lanka. The poster has been released by actor Vijay sethupathi. I have worked in a movie titled "Varnam" as a co-producer. What else should I add to get this approved? 83.110.196.247 (talk) 14:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The draft has no content, IP editor. Please see the criteria at WP:NFILM. If it has yet to be released it is likely not yet notable for Wikipedia. You also should not be writing about a film you have directed yourself, as that is a conflict of interest.  Qcne  (talk)  16:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The fact that you are trying to create an article about a film that you are making indicates that your purpose here is almost certainly promotion, i.e. telling the world about something. Promotion is not accepted anywhere on Wikipedia.
 * Once the world has noticed your film, in the form of substantial write-ups in reliable sources from people unconnected with you, there could be an article about it. But the article will summarise what those independent sources say, not what you want to say. ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

17:37, 4 June 2024 review of submission by Peakconquerors
Help me posting my content Peakconquerors (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * - This has the exact same issues as two drafts on Indian military regiments that were brought up here yesterday. See and . If your superior officers are ordering you to do this, show them WP:Conflict of interest and WP:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Peakconquerors who is asking you to post this article?  Qcne  (talk)  18:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

18:41, 4 June 2024 review of submission by Qunain
i am requesting an assistance because i wrote an article but it was declined. i need someone to help me that how can i make perfect article for wiki. and how should i publish. need support. Qunain (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Qunain. Wikipedia articles should be summaries of reliable sources that are ideally secondary to the subject. Your draft cites a single source, which is the The Geneva Association itself, therefore not independent.
 * We're looking for secondary sources that have no connection to the The Geneva Association that discuss this topic.  Qcne  (talk)  18:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your draft is illegible and has only one source (which I haven't yet looked at). One source by itself, no matter how good it is, cannot support an article. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 18:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your one source is a circular reference. We don't cite Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 18:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)