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= March 19 =

01:16, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Kim alice film
Hello I am a new user and dont have coding experience so am using the visual editor field. I made a submission for a film 'Wash My Soul In The River's Flow' and it was rejected because I had external links to IMDB which I didn't realise weren't allowed. I have removed them and tried to resubmit the draft. I am not sure if I have resubmitted it properly. I hit the resubmit button but nothing seemed to happen so i hit the publish button which seemed to do something. I am not sure if other editors can see the new draft and will be alerted to checking it. How can I best check if it is in the wait pile to be reviewed and is it possible to check in on this progress? thanks, kim alice film Kim alice film (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kim alice film: it looks like the draft wasn't resubmitted, but rather the AfC template was manually edited, resulting in the same ie. the draft now awaiting review.
 * Please don't tamper with the templates, they need to remain there and intact until the draft is accepted. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ahh I see thanks @DoubleGrazing sorry about that. I will look at that today to try and make sure i dont do that next time. All new to me but picking up lots of tips on the help forum so thanks for sharing. Kim alice film (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

02:59, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Matt46665
Why was my article rejected so quickly? The article name is Called 'What is Hidden Parable Theory". Matt46665 (talk) 02:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

03:02, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Matt46665
How is this article contrary to wikipedia? It's a new theory based on scientific concepts. Matt46665 (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is also unsourced nonsense. Theroadislong (talk) 08:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

04:06, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Pratik Girish Karwade
Hello, Wonder why I can create my wikipedia, I work as an Photographer and have achieved a lot in the field working with giant production house in Bollywood, India. I have seen a lot of cinematographers page on wikipedia and thought of building one of mine. please help me so I could create a page here of me. Thank You Pratik Karwade Pratik Girish Karwade (talk) 04:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. While not forbidden, writing an autobiographical article is highly discouraged.  Wikipedia is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of notability, such as a notable person or more narrowly in your case a notable creative professional. 331dot (talk) 05:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

06:11, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Microbeai3.0
Could you help me to publish page. Microbeai3.0 (talk) 06:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves or publish their resume. Please use social media for that. 331dot (talk) 06:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

06:56, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Me.Autem.Minui
How do I update the articles title? It should read “Blackfriars, King’s Lynn” rather than Kings Lynn Me.Autem.Minui (talk) 06:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Me.Autem.Minui: you don't; there is no way of changing page titles, this is achieved by moving the page to a new title. But don't worry about that for now, if/when the draft is accepted it gets moved anyway. I'll put a note on it to mention this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much - very helpful and prompt reply. Me.Autem.Minui (talk) 08:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have accepted the draft and changed the title for you. Great work. Theroadislong (talk) 08:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yay - thank you so so much!!! I’m genuinely a bit moved. Watch this space for lots more monastic and mendicant history from medieval England! Me.Autem.Minui (talk) 08:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

09:46, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Talchu
The article (my first) was declined due to number of sources? I'd request to better understand whether my sources are not good, or whether I should just add a few more notable mentions. The artist has a Hebrew page, and I volunteered to add his page in English, and expand it a bit. I also referred to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals Talchu (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please note that the Hebrew Wikipedia is a separate project from the English Wikipedia, with its own editors and policies. What is acceptable there is not necessarily acceptable here. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand. Could you help me understand what is exactly missing there? Is it the number of reliable sources or their nature? I quoted Haaretz newspaper, the Israel Museum of Art, the New York Times, a gallery brochure, a reference to a documentary on the artist that was broadcasted in international film festivals. Talchu (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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10:45, 19 March 2024 review of submission by FlorinCornianu
Hello,

Sorry, I cannot understand why my page gets rejected every time. It doesn't sound like an advertisement, you can check also our competitor pages, they are just the same and they quote their own website resources.

Please explain your point of view.

Thanks! Florin FlorinCornianu (talk) 10:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @FlorinCornianu: your draft was declined, not rejected, and the reason is that there isn't any evidence that your business is notable in the Wikipedia sense of the term.
 * Also, please disclose your paid editing, as requested on your talk page twice now. This is a hard requirement under our T&Cs, not just an optional extra. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists. Other inappropriate articles existing does not mean that more can be added, it only means we haven't gotten around to renoving them, as this is a volunteer project. If you would like to help us, please identify the articles about your competitors so action can be taken. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your competitors meriting articles does not automatically mean your company does too. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

12:51, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Eva Verplaetse
I submitted this article 4 times - it's just a listing of what happened to the company over the years and which solutions we give - I added a lot of independent, reliable sources and still I get declined because it would be more like an advertisement. the article contains 3 blocks: history (just a list of facts), our offer (what is it) and some facts regarding our IPO - everything is checkable by the sources. Can you please show the parts that are "more like an advertisement"? Because I want this article live but I don't know what to change anymore. Eva Verplaetse (talk) 12:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are not for companies to tell the world about themselves, what they do, and their offerings. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company and what makes it important/significant/influential as the source sees it- how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.
 * You may be too close to your company to write about it. Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Eva Verplaetse: you're citing only primary sources and some 'capsule profiles' as your sources, these do not establish notability per WP:NCORP, and instead are (and this is where promotionality comes in) essentially just the company telling the world about itself. You need to find a few sources that clearly meet the NCORP standard, and summarise what they have said about the business. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

14:42, 19 March 2024 review of submission by TheGreatestLuvofAll
I actually had did a research of reliable sources on this draft, and however my draft's topic was not just about music.. They also did reality TV and acting, as shown here. A example of a reality TV star and singer is Tammy Rivera and Masika Kalysha, however they are mostly notable through reality TV, like the subject. I am asking help because I want to make sure how can I know that my draft is eligible for an encyclopedia article? TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * See this chart website which says that they might have had a position on a chart, which may meet the criteria of WP:SINGER. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheGreatestLuvofAll: per WP:BADCHARTS, iTunes does not qualify, and in any case that source doesn't seem too reliable.
 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but basically you need to show that this person meets either the general WP:GNG or one of the special (WP:SINGER, WP:NACTOR, etc.) notability standards. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is already a redirect to the group she worked with before her solo career. I put it in draftspace to work on it there to make it into an article. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 15:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I requested deletion. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 17:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

15:16, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Suhit72
How can I make it not able. Suhit72 (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * There is nothing more you can do, the draft was rejected. Please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves; this is not social media.  Please use actual social media to tell the world about yourself and your accomplishments. 331dot (talk) 15:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

16:26, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Jmarquette
Greetings - looking to ensure that I've hit all the marks for this work. Jmarquette (talk) 16:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jmarquette: we don't provide pre-reviews here at the help desk, you need to submit the draft to get a review. That said, I can tell you already now that this would be declined, as the referencing is woefully inadequate, and does not establish notability of any sort.
 * Also, you will need to remove all the inline external links from the body text. If you can use any of them as references, do so by citing them instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the help I needed. Thank you. Jmarquette (talk) 16:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

18:59, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Delbatros
How can I save a page belonging to a former Turkish football club that closed in 1975 from draft status? Unfortunately, there is no reference on behalf of a club that has operated for 8 years. I tried to edit the page here according to its page on tr:wiki. At first, the page was created a long time ago based on incorrect guidance, but since such a club was active in the past but not today, I tried to translate it and added it here with the same order, but it was put in draft status. How to remove this page from draft status? DelbatrosTalk 18:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Delbatros You can publish it as an article by proving it is notable under Wikipedia's guidelines. Wikipedia only publishes what reliable, secondary sources have said— not what its editors make up. Your draft currently cites no sources. I understand it was translated, but Wikipedia needs coverage in other sources to prove notability — specifically, this subject needs to meet our "General Notability Guideline", which is fancy way of saying multiple quality sources. See WP:42 as well. If you can't find references on this topic, then I'm sorry to say that it's probably not eligible for a Wikipedia article.
 * Wikipedia has pretty strict guidelines on what "merits" an article, so don't be too disappointed. You might try the Football "fandom" wiki, which has 25,000 articles written by football (soccer) fans. (But I'm not aware of what their article inclusion guidelines are like). Cheers, 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

20:10, 19 March 2024 review of submission by 2603:8001:2500:9DE8:9DFB:8:9DB:BB00
I was told that my draft page (the first one I've ever attempted to create) was rejected. The reasons were quite generic and don't really help me figure out what to edit. Would someone kindly share some specific changes that need to be made in order to make this page acceptable?

My organization is a 35-year old Endowment Fund that manages in excess of $1,100,000 in assets donated by 15 (and) investing organizations. We have very low visibility and thought a Wikipedia page would be very helpful in raising our awareness and distinguishing what we do from other pages which reference Jon Sims, the individual for whom our nonprofit is named.

Thanks for providing some specific changes that need to be made here. 2603:8001:2500:9DE8:9DFB:8:9DB:BB00 (talk) 20:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted.  Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
 * Please read conflict of intereast. If your job is to work with the endowment, the Terms of Use require you to make a paid editing disclosure.
 * I apologize for being frank, but Wikipedia has no interest in helping your orgnanization raise its awareness. That is a promotional purpose and not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell about themselves and what they do.  A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the orgainzation, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 22:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

22:05, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Driftybiscuit
I'd love some advice for this page.

Basically, I figured that Star San deserves something on Wikipedia, since it's pretty much the most pervasive sanitizer used in brewing (both professional and homebrewing). It's even mentioned in passing on the Homebrewing page. Every homebrew store has it and it's pretty much the default choice. PBW is another widely used chemical and happens to be made by the same company. Anyways, I felt it was probably the right thing to make a page for the company rather than the product; that way other stuff that they make could be included, too.

The main trouble is that though a million places on the internet mention Star San (and PBW) as something you should use, almost all of it is not reputable... And the few reputable sources that do mention Star San, only mention them in passing. None of them actually go into detail about Star San itself (i.e. what it is made of, its properties, its history, etc). Pretty much the only place I can find this information is from Five Star itself. Or talking to home brew store employees in person... It's especially frustrating because it's probably the most popular product of its type -- quite literally, almost everyone uses it (speaking anecdotally).

What should I do? Does it not deserve an article, or are there better sources that I'm not finding? Driftybiscuit (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We can't tell you if there are other sources out there, but your draft is almost exclusively sourced to the company website. An article should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about the topic. If you have no such sources about the company, it would not merit an article at this time.
 * If it's the product that is notable, it would be possible for their to be an article about the product and not its manufacturer. It depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 22:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Very well, thanks for the advice. Making an article for the product seems like it may be the way to go, then. Driftybiscuit (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

22:13, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Andrea.sterling.lopez.smith
Because they denied my page request Andrea.sterling.lopez.smith (talk) 22:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You don't ask a question, but your text was wholly inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Please see the Five Pillars of Wikipedia to learn more about what it is we do here. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

22:30, 19 March 2024 review of submission by Eamonnp12
An article I am trying to help edit had once been rejected for its use of YouTube videos as citations, yet I see on the Wikipedia page for Anthony Fantano that they are used freely. Do these YouTube videos need to be archived or reviewed for approval? Eamonnp12 (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link, it lacked the "Draft:" portion.
 * YouTube videos are generally only permitted as citations if they come from a reputable news outlet(or similar) on its verified channel. You have not shown how this musician meets the definition of a notable musician, with coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 22:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)