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= March 31 =

04:40, 31 March 2024 review of submission by Dolemites
I'm having trouble finding examples of non-neutral or peacock language in this draft. Could someone help?

Also the editor rejecting this article seems not to have access to all the sources but makes a negative judgment anyway? This is confusing, because Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a restriction to open access sources. In fact, some of the most important (reliable) sources for Wikipedia are not open access. So it's confusing that this editor rejects this submission on the basis of the only the sources he or she could access. I don't have a direct/personal connection with this academic society but I did spend time drafting the article and that seems rather a waste for it to be completely discarded (with no one else able to contribute) just because of one editor being unable to access the valid sources relied upon. Dolemites (talk) 04:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Dolemites: I'm not entirely sure where the POV issues are; pinging the reviewer for comments.
 * The reviewer didn't decline (not 'reject', which is a terminal option) the draft for lack of notability, so whether their comments regarding that aspect were correct or not shouldn't matter much. And yes, we can accept sources that are offline, behind paywalls, etc., as long as they are published and available to at least some members of the public (and otherwise meet the relevant quality criteria, of course).
 * The draft has not been "discarded" in any sense of the word, it remains available for editing, both by yourself and anyone else with internet access. It won't, however, be published until it is deemed ready. That said, your account is autoconfirmed so the AfC review process is only optional (albeit highly recommended) to you, therefore if you object to the review process or outcome you're of course welcome to publish this article yourself and leave it for the New Page Patrol to assess it instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason for decline mainly boils down to two points: 1) The use of the organization's self introduction in the article, as Wikipedia article should generally focus on what independent sources said about a subject, not what the subject said about itself; 2) Lack of in-depth description and examples given to the claims about the organization's notability. What are the "subsequent activities" and "numerous other scholarly events"? What are the effects/significance of the events the organization held in the past? While the article did include many citations in each of the claims, as per WP:PCR Wikipedia articles are written for the general public, and as such a greater level of clarity would be expected.
 * As for not accessing all of the cited sources, I'm aware of the concern about my judgement here, which is why I did not cited notability as the reason of rejection. At the time of the comment I thought the fact that all of the non-journal sources were either primary or trivial mentions would need to be emphasized somehow. As DoubleGrazing said, you are free to write the article without the need to create a draft, but an article like the current draft has a high likelihood of getting flaged for issues, so it is best to resolve the issues in draft before putting it in the mainspace. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

07:49, 31 March 2024 review of submission by Belleandpoppy
I have moved my belleandpoppy sandbox page to Karen Annette O'Brien hoping to publish it but this appears to be the wrong thing to do. Can you locate my wikipage so that I can edit it for publication? Belleandpoppy (talk) 07:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You can find it here Draft:Karen Annette O'Brien it will need submitting for review. Theroadislong (talk) 07:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

16:50, 31 March 2024 review of submission by Connor World
My article was declined why Connor World (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Connor World: it was declined because of the reason given in the decline notice, namely lack of notability. (Not that it's an article yet, or even much of a draft.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How can I fix the issue Connor World (talk) 17:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Connor World You can't as the draft is now rejected. Please read Your first article. S0091 (talk) 17:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

19:10, 31 March 2024 review of submission by 41.78.74.34
This topic can be mentioned on Wikipedia 41.78.74.34 (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * That has not been demonstrated, which is why the draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a mere database of companies. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

21:17, 31 March 2024 review of submission by GHOSHJOYDEEP
I waanted to tell about my journey and keen to learn about Embedded software product. GHOSHJOYDEEP (talk) 21:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @GHOSHJOYDEEP: your draft has been deleted as promotional. Wikipedia is not a place to tell the world about yourself, see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)