Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2024 May 23

= May 23 =

00:07, 23 May 2024 review of submission by OhHaiMark
Does this draft need anything before I submit it for review? OhHaiMark (talk) 00:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @OhHaiMark: you need to show that the book is notable, either by WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK, and a single source is not enough for that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

00:26, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Sargunajames
I need to be in Wikipedia so please accept my request even my profile in imdb please accept Sargunajames (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Sargunajames we don't have profiles here, only articles about notable topics. Your draft does not meet our notability guidelines for people; it's a promotional draft about yourself.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 00:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

05:02, 23 May 2024 review of submission by ArtAfg
The page keeps being declined due to concerns about the reliability of the sources. The sources include Voice of America, BBC, and Afghan channels. Please review. ArtAfg (talk) 05:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @ArtAfg: we don't normally provide on-demand reviews here at the help desk. However, this was such an obvious decline that I've just done that. You need to cite your sources inline, not just pile a bunch of external links in the 'References' section; see WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice.
 * Please also remove all inline external links, and the excessive ones from the 'External links' section, as these are not compliant with WP:EL. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As I noted when I declined the draft, the majority of the sources appear to be articles written by the subject . They only indicate that the subject is a working journalist, not necessarily a notable one.  The references need to by WP:RELIABLE media, but they also must be about Mr. Orokzai and must be intellectually independent from him. • Gene93k (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

11:52, 23 May 2024 review of submission by PslyKittenNameGame
What if this is new information that has not previously been cited in historical literature that can be translated? Some of this is ancient information passed verbally, written in Sanskrit, and hieroglyphics PslyKittenNameGame (talk) 11:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not publish "new information". This is covered in the policy on orginal research. Specifically, "On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists.To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented.". So, if the "new information" has not been cited in literature, you cannot include it in an article. MarcGarver (talk) 11:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

15:02, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Gothicheights65
Can I get help from someone in improving the article quality? Gothicheights65 (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gothicheights65: you need to be more specific – what help do you need? In any case, you've resubmitted this draft, so you will get feedback on it sooner or later, once a reviewer gets around to assessing it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Be warned this draft falls into multiple contentious topics (Indian Subcontinent, genetically-modified organisms). —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 16:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

17:05, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Takeru Watanabe
The English article about Anja Utler has been added at wikidata (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q551311) but it still can't be seen in the English article that there is also a German article. Why is that? Thank you for your help. Takeru Watanabe (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Takeru Watanabe: the English and German articles are now linked. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Takeru Watanabe (talk) 19:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't link them, they were already linked when I went to take a look. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Then thanks anyway for looking. :-) Takeru Watanabe (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

18:01, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Glasgowsouthwest
This page was rejected, Zubir is likely to become the next MP for Glasgow South West, based on every poll. I disagree with the findings of the reviewer Glasgowsouthwest (talk) 18:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Glasgowsouthwest: okay, if that were to happen, then in 6 weeks' time he would be automatically presumed notable per WP:NPOL. Until then, he will have to satisfy the WP:GNG criteria. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also take a read through Crystalball McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 18:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

19:51, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Valuenyc
Only a few hours ago, I requested help DELETING this page in order to allow someone else's newer draft to be considered. As I explained in my proposed deletion, he is being held up by the existence of this earlier draft. deleted my PROD saying it is not used in Draft space. This is something I feared, but I did hope for some direction about how to get rid of this thing. Minutes later, finally declined my draft. This is fine (really, a welcome development after about 6 weeks while someone else has developed something more substantial), but I'm still at a bit of a loss. How do I get this declined draft out of the way of someone who wants to get his new draft considered? It _does_ appear that there are now two drafts in the queue on this subject, but I can't speak with authority. So I'll repeat a central question: Should the person taking this project over just paste his new draft over my old submission? Will that provoke a new review? Or do we have to delete this draft page in order to get a new draft considered? and if so, how? Please accept apologies for creating complications, but I'm trying to set it right. I will be very grateful for any direction here. Valuenyc (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , Where is the second draft? ~ GB fan 20:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Valuenyc the declined draft is not in the way 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Continuing to apologize .... Before I posted the PROD, my successor author received a rejection saying "This appears to be a duplicate of another submission, Felix Albrecht Harta, which is also waiting to be reviewed. To save time we will consider the other submission and not this one." This is dated 18:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
 * Then as I said, in quick succession after I posted my PROD dated 15:44 on May 23, deleted my PROD and  rejected my draft. So, trying to keep it simple here, is  saying that only Mightythos77's draft is now in the queue for review? or it is not?  Since mine is still displaying in DRAFT space, is mine still occupying space in the queue? and his also in the queue for review?
 * and :  Many thanks for taking the time to try to sort thru this. I appreciate it very much.   Valuenyc (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Valuenyc Do not tag team with your nephew. That is meat puppetry. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If my response is not 100% on point, it is only because I do not entirely understand your post. If I understand meatpuppetry as explained on the page you linked, you're simply way off. Neither of us is promoting one side of a dispute or another, let alone causing "disruption" on wikipedia, with two drafts relatively hidden from view of the vast majority of users. What dispute would we talking about anyway? There is none.
 * I intended to suggest that simply paste his text over mine, leaving one draft in the queue and leaving me out of the picture. I still have no idea whether that was, indeed, the correct way to go, and so far, this Help desk hasn't illuminated much. But that question has become moot since he submitted before I knew about it. Such mis- and cross-communication happens between ordinary mortals.
 * I appreciate your comment that my draft is "not in the way" and I have finally found the second/later draft in the queue. Given the message Mightythos77 first received however, it was not an unreasonable question.
 * But I'm even more lost about what "tag-teaming" even means. I can only respectfully point out that this inquiry began with my attempt to simply delete my draft, thus extracting myself from a behind-the-scenes process on wikipedia. Just what are you referring to with tag-teaming? two users inadvertently submitting drafts on the same topic? or two users inquiring about status?
 * We have both apologized if ignorance has led to some redundancy or mis-guided questions. But accusations like meatpuppetery and tag-teaming are unwarranted.    Valuenyc (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What is your actual question, @Valuenyc? Can you précis in a sentence or two, rather than writing War & Peace? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Valuenyc This encyclopaedia has a wonderful resource. Tag team is explained. Here, two related users working in the same draft. But you have explained that satisfactorily. I skimmed your tl;dr screed, but what is your question, please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Answers emerged from the fog. No need for further discussion here. Valuenyc (talk) 16:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Answers emerged from the fog. No need for further discussion here. Valuenyc (talk) 16:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

21:39, 23 May 2024 review of submission by Jrodriguezrentas
Can someone please look at the new draft posted? Jrodriguezrentas (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jrodriguezrentas I looked at it. I have seen that it has been rejected and thus will not proceed further. You may query this with the reviewer who rejected it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jrodriguezrentas Please don't ask me to look at it again and you have in a perplexing message non my user talk page. It is who rejected it, and is to them you must appeal if you wish them to change their rejection. You need to make the approach. I have not pinged them. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)