Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2024 May 29

= May 29 =

00:32, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Jdrmax
This is my first page and I was rejected. I want to learn how to do so properly. Jdrmax (talk) 00:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This reads like it's trying to promote the centre. As for your sources, refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
 * https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-law-launches-center-on-philanthropy-and-nonprofits is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Same goes for any other UCLA.edu source.
 * https://dailybruin.com/2024/01/11/ucla-law-launches-the-lowell-milken-center-for-philanthropy-and-nonprofits is useless for notability (too sparse). Practically the entire article is quotes from, or attributions to, people associated with UCLA Law, the Centre, or associated organisations within UCLA.
 * https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/ucla-law-philanthropy-program-receives-8-million-from-lowell-milken is useless for notability (routine coverage). News of the endowment that led to the creation of the Centre.
 * https://nonprofitquarterly.org/ucla-law-launches-new-center-for-philanthropy-and-nonprofits is 404-compliant.
 * https://www.miragenews.com/ucla-law-launches-center-address-revolutionary-change-in-philanthropy-and-nonprofits is 404-compliant.
 * None of your sources are usable for notability. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 01:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your guidance. It is very helpful! Jdrmax (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

01:32, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 59.9.253.65
I believe I am receiving severe racist treatment from Wikipedia. Please help. 59.9.253.65 (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe I am receiving serious racist damage from Wikipedia. help. 59.9.253.65 (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What? You made personal attacks on my talk page after I rejected it. And now I'm racist?   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 01:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This man is a deeply racist and undemocratic dictator. This person's behavior is very immoral, rude and unreasonable. He simply rejected the materials without even reading them. 59.9.253.65 (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He does not read any of the submitter's material and simply rejects it. Rejecting a submission simply because the submitter is of a different race is highly immoral and discriminatory. 59.9.253.65 (talk) 01:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:CanonNi: He does not read any of the submitter's material and simply rejects it. Rejecting a submission simply because the submitter is of a different race is highly immoral and discriminatory. 59.9.253.65 (talk) 01:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 01:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Drop the insults. Irrespective of your draft and its contents, accusing other editors acting in good faith of being racist is a very good way to find yourself blocked. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 07:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

02:27, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Sanuja nayak
ମୋର ନାମ ସାନୁଜ ନାୟକ ଅଟେ Sanuja nayak (talk) 02:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I strongly urge you to NEVER put your personal contact details onto Wikipedia ever again; it's a VERY bad idea that can result in real-world harassment. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 07:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

02:32, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 2601:603:780:C710:14F:A198:BC47:43FF
I need know how to create a Wikipedia article for Author Dana Priyanka Hammond 2601:603:780:C710:14F:A198:BC47:43FF (talk) 02:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Please read HELP:YFA 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In addition, look at your references
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

02:48, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Cristygarna
I have added as many references as I can. After that they again say to add references. I add news reports from top news agencies and YouTube video references also the photos Cristygarna (talk) 02:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Please read and implement WP:CITE 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cristygarna In addition, more is not better. Use only references which pass these criteria: We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

04:13, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Jaclyn.v108
I am new to writing articles on Wikipedia. This is my first go. Please let me know what more I can do to prepare this article for resubmission to make it more likely to be published. Thanks so much! Jaclyn.v108 (talk) 04:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please remove all references to IMDb and YouTube, they are not reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 06:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jaclyn.v108, welcome to writing articles! This is the most difficult thing to do in Wikipedia, and writing about a living person is probably hardest of all. We usually suggest doing some easier tasks editing other articles, such as helping find citations, clarify confusing sentences, and do spelling and grammar corrections. If you still feel you want to begin by writing an article, take a look at this page about your first article if you have not done so.
 * Because Faught is a living person, you will need to abide by the requirements for biographies of living people. One of these requirements is that every single piece of information must be referenced to a reliable source. So for example, looking at your draft: who says Faught was born in 1975? Who says he was born in Kansas? Who says his family legacy was of hard work? Who tells us his mother worked in a factory and then became a beautician? And this continues through the entire article.
 * You will also need to be very careful about saying anything in 'Wikipedia-voice' - we can't say anything that reliable sources have not explicitly said. So unless a source says that his father 'worked tirelessly', we also can't put that. If the source says he worked in a paper mill, we could put that, but we can't add 'tirelessly' (or any other adjective).
 * Photographs are another tricky topic. Photographs belong to the person who took them; the photograph you have in the draft looks like it might be a school photo, or otherwise taken by a professional photographer. Unless you are that photographer, you can't upload the photograph, because when you do so you are saying that it is your work.
 * As you can see there is a lot to consider, which is why creating a new article is a difficult task. I don't intend to overwhelm you, but you do need to think about all these things before you put any more time and effort into your draft. StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

05:43, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Satyridium
My draft has been recjected on the grounds that the topic of bootblacking is basically the same as boot worship, which already has a page on wikipedia. However, these two topics are clearly differentiated in terms of content. While Boot Worship describes the erotic play with boots (licking, kissing, being trampled) in the context of a BDSM scene, Bootblack is an identity and a title (similar to the contests to Mr/Ms Leather) within the leather community as well as a craft and service (basically specialized shoe shining and leather care) which is performed at leather bars and events like pride marches, conferences, etc.

Is it beneficial to expand the article further (especially the parts on history and contests) to make this difference clear? Also, I could try to get more photos as these are currently missing on Wikimedia. I'm happy to work on the boot worship article too, but merging the two topics doesn't make sense in my eyes. Any help is greatly appreciated! Satyridium (talk) 05:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Satyridium Remove references to YouTube. These are not allowed.
 * We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * With that in mind, look at the references remaining. Do they pass? if not, replace them with references which do. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

07:57, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Bvedavyas2024
after all the changes made and what the reviewer exactly asked I'm trying to resubmit my article but not accept Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 07:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Bvedavyas2024: it's because rejected drafts can no longer be submitted; that's the definition of rejection. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What is the solution for my article Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bvedavyas2024 The solution would be to not attempt to resubmit it, nor copy/paste it to your user page. Just stop.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My article need to be submitted, I didn't do that again I need a detailed solution for my article Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 13:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Remove every claim that is not supported by a reference to a reliable source. Rewrite with a neutral point of view. A member of a state legislature is usually considered notable, but an article about a notable person still needs to meet Wikipedia's standards. For an example of a short article about an elected politician that does meet Wikipedia's standards, see William A. Flemming and note how the claims are supported by references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

08:18, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Chevelue
I had created a new draft with changes to referencing and a new list of sources but I don't know how to send it and I am afraid you are using the old draft which will certainly be rejected again. How do I send the new one? I thought I had sent it early in May this year but apparently it did not reach you. Chevelue (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Reviewers look at the article at the time of review, not prior revisions. If you've added the references and content to the existing draft, then they will be considered when a reviewer gets to it. (The most recent edit from you is, indeed, May 3; however other editors have taken time to try and clean it up and incorporate it more naturally into the draft.) —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 08:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

10:08, 29 May 2024 review of submission by IWrite44
Hello,

I recently submitted an article draft for Chef Cristian Marino, but it was declined for reading more like an advertisement and not meeting the criteria for neutrality and verifiability. I want to ensure that my article adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines and would appreciate specific feedback on the following points:

Neutral Point of View: How can I rephrase the content to ensure it maintains a neutral tone?

Independent, Reliable Sources: Can you suggest examples of the types of independent and reliable sources I should include to establish the notability of Chef Cristian Marino?

I've used sources like his official website and book listings, but it seems these might not be sufficient.

Verifiability: What are the best practices for citing sources to verify the information included in the article?

Here is a brief overview of the article content for context:

Cristian Marino

Early Life and Education: Background in Milan and Calabria, formal culinary education. Career: Over two decades of international experience in Italy, France, the UK, Spain, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Indonesia, Dubai, and the Maldives. Positions with Radisson Blu, InterContinental, and Silversea Cruises. Notable Positions and Achievements: Awards like 'The Golden Q' from Ospitalità Italiana and 'Silver Plate' from Accademia Italiana Della Cucina.

Consultancy and Publications: Offers consultancy services, developed the 'CMmenu,' and authored several books on culinary arts and leadership.

Books: Titles include 'The Healthy Italian Chef,' 'The "Recipes" of My Smile,' 'The Black and White "Smile",' and '10 Rules of the Chef in the Modern Era.'

I want to make sure the article meets Wikipedia's standards before resubmitting. Any guidance or specific examples would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help! IWrite44 (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @IWrite44 For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for providing such detailed information and for your help.
 * I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into this.
 * Kind regards, IWrite44 (talk) 03:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * in order:
 * Neutrality: The KISS principle applies to Wikipedia content. The best way to adhere to it is to stick strictly to whatever facts the sources explicitly say (you need to do this anyway), and do not editorialise or "read between the lines". Opinions in sources must be attributed to whoever said/wrote them.
 * Independent, reliable sources: Anything Marino writes, says, commissions, films, dictates, semaphores, interpretive-dances, etc. is useless for notability. What we're looking for are in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-Marino news/scholarly sources that discuss him at length, are written by identifiable authors, and subject to rigourous fact-checking and editorial oversight.
 * Verifiability: See Help:Referencing for beginners. (You're already doing it right.)
 * As for your sources, refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
 * We can't use https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-people/cristian-marino-from-milano-to-bucharest-at-intercontinental-as-new-executive-chef/ (no editorial oversight) and it needs to be removed ASAP. This is a verbatim and improperly-credited copypaste of a press release.
 * https://easternherald.com/2020/12/01/italian-chef-cristian-marino-dubai/ looks OK.
 * https://maldives-times.com/news/best-dining-experiences-at-meeru-maldives-resort-island is useless for notability (too sparse). Quote, no discussion of Marino.
 * https://da.zf.ro/dupa-afaceri/gastronomie/cum-reusesc-italienii-sa-si-mentina-silueta-chiar-daca-mananca-paste-tot-timpul-raspunde-cristian-marino-noul-chef-al-intercontinental-13725016 looks OK.
 * https://www.amcham.ro/news-from-members/intercontinental-bucharest-has-a-new-executive-chef is the press release Romaniajournal.ro plagiarises. It's useless for notability (no editorial oversight).
 * We can't use https://www.trendshrb.ro/stiri/hotelul-intercontinental-bucuresti-are-un-nou-executive-chef/ (no editorial oversight) and it needs to be removed ASAP. Based on GTrans this is a Dutch translation of the press release above, and is just as badly-attributed as Romaniajournal.
 * I can't assess https://www.accademiaitalianadellacucina.it/sites/default/files/allegati/CdT_287_nov_2016.pdf (language barrier). I would also recommend citing this as an offline source (use ; we need at minimum periodical title, edition (i.e. Jan 1923), article title, article byline, and page numbers).
 * https://www.traveltrademaldives.com/indulge-in-exquisite-dining-experiences-at-meeru-maldives-resort-island/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Quote; no discussion of Marino.
 * https://maldives.net.mv/59518/escape-to-culinary-paradise-indulge-in-exquisite-dining-experiences-at-meeru-maldives-resort-island/ has been discussed and dismissed; it's a verbatim copy of the above source. Same applies to https://maldivesvirtualtour.com/indulge-in-exquisite-dining-experiences-at-meeru-maldives-resort-island/
 * We can't use https://www.romaniapozitiva.ro/bucuresti/supa-de-craciun-pentru-persoanele-fara-adapost-din-bucuresti/ (unknown provenance) and even if we could it is useless for notability (too sparse). Role byline, quote.
 * We can't use Amazon (online storefront).
 * We can't use Goodreads (no editorial oversight).
 * We can't use https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9798512142103/Black-White-Smile-Special-edition/plp (online storefront).
 * We can't use https://app.simplecert.net/recipients/5581461/certificate-page (too sparse). Certificates are pretty much never worth citing, as they will never have enough information to cite. You're better off citing a news article that discusses this.
 * https://chefcristianmarino.com/about/ - and anything else on chefcristianmarino.com - is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
 * https://romanialibera.ro/special/modigliani-un-restaurant-autentic-italian-in-centrul-capitalei-466752/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Two bland, one-sentence descriptions of a chef doing Chef Things, no real discussion of Marino.
 * Your sourcing is noticeably poor. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing out the incorrect sources. Please feel free to remove anything you believe is not appropriate.
 * Kind Regards, IWrite44 (talk) 03:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

10:23, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 2A02:A212:A23F:FE80:BC8D:F0A5:741E:3CF3
Hello, I have received an email from somebody called, Asher, who says they are from wikisubmissions. They first sent an email to inform me that if I had created a page or a friend had created a page on the business behalf, there were problems with citations and it would be possible to call him in USA for help on how to fix the problems. Is this legit? Because I responded that I didn't create this page though, I can see in the history the name of the creator, and it is somebody who I know in the Netherlands. However, he contacted me again offering a phone number in USA where we could call and get help. I worry that a call might be a scam and we might get charged. Is this common practice for your crew to contact businesses?

Also, I have read this draft, and all the information about my label is correct. And, although you have deleted submission twice saying the company isn't notable, our record label artists are on radio every day, also some are on National television, magazines, newspapers and radio.

Hopefully somebody can fix this as it is frustrating to get these emails that it is incorrect. Thank you for any help you can offer. All the best, Katthy Keller, Owner OOB Records 2A02:A212:A23F:FE80:BC8D:F0A5:741E:3CF3 (talk) 10:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * See WP:SCAM. Definitely not legit, and almost 100% certainly a scam. We never contact anyone, and in any case we would never ask for money (which, if they haven't done yet, will undoubtedly be the next step). Steer well clear, and please report any such contacts to the e-mail address shown on the SCAM page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete/junk any emails you get from them; they're looking to rip you off. As to your draft, we're looking for evidence of having been noticed and written about by others outside of routine business coverage, and as written the draft is blatantly promotional; refer to my /Decode subpage (linked below as "critiques"):
 * We can't use https://friendlyfolkrecords.org/ (website homepage). Citing a homepage is akin to citing the cover of a book; you need to actually go deeper in and cite specific pages on that domain.
 * We can't use Bandcamp (streaming website). Same applies to any other music-streaming outlets (i.e. Pandora, Spotify).
 * We can't use https://www.iopages.nl/ (website homepage). Again, you need to cite specific pages on that domain.
 * https://www.zwartekat.nl/nieuws/2024/04/03/nieuw-album-ton-scherpenzeel/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Affiliate link at the end, no discussion of OOB.
 * I can't assess https://www.bndestem.nl/zundert/the-boxx-orchestra-presenteert-tweede-album-in-de-avenue-muziek-houdt-ons-jong~ae708d03/ (walled). Note I am cutting out the "referrer" portion of the URL.
 * https://www.margriet.nl/actualiteit/youp-van-t-hek-lied-afscheid~ba5da274/ is a non-sequitur.
 * None of your sources are any good. Just because OOB has notable acts in its roster does not make the label notable in and of itself (since a record label that's solvent would be expected to have at least one, and ideally multiple, successful acts in its portfolio). —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 16:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

12:35, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Angaiyarkanniedits
need support to fix all issue in this page Angaiyarkanniedits (talk) 12:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Angaiyarkanniedits every single statement in a biography must be accompanied by an in-line citation to a reliable source. Vast parts of the draft are unsourced.
 * More importantly however: you need to prove Vinod meets our notability criteria under WP:NPEOPLE.  Qcne  (talk)  13:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

13:15, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Somalipictures
I have brought reliable references, such as the BBC, which is one of the biggest media in the world; the other, Rooti Abuukey, is only a name known, so they should write a report only from the Somali media that I have quoted now. because it is mostly used in Somalia. Somalipictures (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, the BBC is usually a reliable source. But that is only one of the three requirements on sources in order to contribute to notability. The other two are independence from the subject, and having significant coverage of the subject.
 * As far as I can see, the two BBC news items you cite do not even mention Rooti Abuukey. They both have "rooti" in the headline, but judging from the Google translations, both of them are about politicians in other countries doing something with bread, and have absolutely nothing to do with a particular Somali dish. Including them tells the reader absolutely nothing about Rooti Abuukey, and including them is unhelpful and dishonest. (And even if the type of bread that Erdogan once sold was Somali bread - which the article doesn't seem to say - this would be a trivial mention, not significant coverage of the subject.)
 * First find your sources (and make sure that each one of them meets the triple requirements in the golden rule, then - if you have sources - write the article. If you write so much as one word of a draft without finding solid sources first, you are probably wasting every moment you spend on it. ColinFine (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

13:19, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Dr Susan Tatah
Greetings, I am new here and just created my first page today. I guess i made a mistake and clicked on the submission button. All i wanted was to continue editing in sandbox Dr Susan Tatah (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Dr Susan Tatah: yes, I expect that is what happened, since the resultant submission was blank.
 * Before proceeding further, please see WP:AUTOBIO, which is probably pertinent here. TL;DNR = you shouldn't be writing about yourself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Susan. In my experience, editors who try the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent time learning the necessary skills usually have a miserable and frustrating time. Would you pick up a tennis racket for the first time, and immediately enter a competition? Or have your first violin lesson, and book a public recital?
 * I always advise new editors to spend at least several weeks making a few hundred improvements to existing articles, and learning about how Wikipedia works, before ever trying to create a new article. Creating an article is not the only way, or necessarily the best way, to help improve Wikipedia (I have been editing for nearly nineteen years, and made over 24 thousands edits, but I've only ever created a handful of articles).
 * When you have understood fundamental principles such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable sources, and notability, then is the time - if you wish - to read your first article, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

14:07, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 118.179.205.98
About this page he is a reputed journalist. Lyricist, composer, director and singer. His work was reported in the leading newspapers of Bangladesh. 118.179.205.98 (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * That's not a question; did you have one in mind you wanted to ask?
 * This draft has been rejected, and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

15:58, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Atikul Islam Kabbo
Why are my articles getting deleted every time? Atikul Islam Kabbo (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This page is for assistance with the drafting process, but I strongly recommend reading Articles for deletion/Kazi Shameem Farhad if you haven't done so. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 16:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

16:06, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Wizata
Please let me know what to add/remove to get it approved. Thank you! Wizata (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * We do not allow usernames implying official/shared use, and you are obligated to disclose your connexion to Wizata. As to the draft itself, it's written as an investor brochure as opposed to an encyclopaedia article. —Jéské Couriano v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 16:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. Added the disclosure to my profile and resubmitted with edits. Thank you for the help. Wizata (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

16:07, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Mastersmithie
I've been working on it for a while now, but I feel like it could use some more clarity and structure. I've been trying to follow some of the tips I've read online, such as keeping it simple and using visual verbs, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. Mastersmithie (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , your draft has been deleted because it was unambiguously promotional. Promotional activity is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

16:42, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 104.255.133.231
Could you please provide feedback in depth as to what is not sourced or referenced correctly please. 104.255.133.231 (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How does Reyes meet WP:NCHESS? Cullen328 (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

17:18, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Who am i fr
First time making a wiki page and this is for my business ALATIC MUSIC (music producer,dj and record label) Who am i fr (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You are obligated to formally disclose your connexion to the company. The draft has since been deleted as blatant and irreparable advertizing/promotion (your conflict-of-interest here does not help). —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i> v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

17:19, 29 May 2024 review of submission by DeemDeem52
Seems like this page has been moved into article space without being reviewed. Someone already moved it to draftspace, but the creator of the article moved it back -- what are the procedures for this? DeemDeem52 (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Start an AfD debate. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i> v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I should nominate it for deletion? It cannot just be (for instance) moved back into draftspace until it is reviewed? DeemDeem52 (talk) 17:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You really don't want to continue a move war against an obstinate user. You're better off taking it to AfD; let the community decide what to do with it (draftification is an option at AfD) and give the other user an opportunity to be a better person or to swallow the key to the gaol he's been locked inside. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i> v^&lowbar;^v  threads critiques 17:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it! Thanks - I'll start that now. DeemDeem52 (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @DeemDeem52 in these cases I start with "Disputed draftfication" and explain the route I think the community might take. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

19:20, 29 May 2024 review of submission by 91.120.151.59
. 91.120.151.59 (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Rejected twice. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The draft has been rejected, and will not at present be considered further. Once the version has been released, there will likely be sufficient reliable, independent, sources with significant coverage to base an article on; (note that almost nothing published by Microsoft will be of any relevance). But at present it is TOOSOON. ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

19:39, 29 May 2024 review of submission by Rubyzinner
Please help - I do not understand how this subject is not notable enough for an article. I included so many sources. I am so frustrated! Rubyzinner (talk) 19:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Rubyzinner You appear to have a basic misunderstanding of referencing.
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * You introduced a multitude of references but they failed the criteria. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you show me an example of a reliable source on this particular subject? All sources show he is credited with the work that he did. Rubyzinner (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rubyzinner, the difficulty is that there may not be any reliable sources out there! We do not doubt that he has done some work as a writer/producer; the trick is that you need sources that show he is notable by Wikipedia's standards. Have a look at WP:CREATIVE which I believe would be the notability criteria that covers Abrams. If you think he meets criteria 1 or 2, you would need to include that in the draft (with evidence). I am not familiar with his work but I think that you will agree that his musical, having opened only a month ago, is probably not yet regarded as a significant or well-known work (compared to, say, Cats, Wicked, Les Miserables, and so on) and thus he cannot meet criteria 3. Likewise I suspect his work has not yet won significant attention, so criteria 4 is out.
 * Maybe this article is too soon. I believe Abrams is a young man with a couple of works under his belt - he has many years of creating ahead of him. It is entirely possible that in a few years (even Andrew Lloyd Webber needed time for his career to take off!) he will be notable, and you will be able to write an article for him. Don't let yourself get frustrated or upset; keep an eye on his career, collect information, and if you feel like it practice editing Wikipedia so it's easier to get your article approved when the time comes. StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

19:55, 29 May 2024 review of submission by SparrowsQuest
Hello, my article has been declined several times, and each time I have understood a bit more what makes a good article. I've made some additional edits and would be grateful for any input that might help to highlight any remaining obstacles to its acceptance before I resubmit. Thank you. SparrowsQuest (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @SparrowsQuest I note youi have declared a WP:COI. Please disclose the nature of this. Are you receiving any compensation for writing this draft? I will ask this question formally on your talk page im a moment.
 * I think you have received sufficient advice from each of the six reviewers. Patently you have not written a draft whose references show he passes WP:BIO. You case is not helped by the use of a copyright photograph. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)