Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment/A-Class Review/Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics

Australia women&#39;s national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics

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review
 * Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
 * Nominator's comments: This article is about twelve Aussies and their dream of a Paralympic medal.


 * Nominated by: Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * First comment occurred: 06:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Evad37
Signing up to review this article. |'ve had a quick look through and my initial impressions are that it seems quite good, though perhaps a little heavy on quotations – but more to come on this and other things later in the actual review, after I've more thorough look through (hopefully within the next day or so) - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC) soon-ish - Evad37 &#91;talk] 11:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

(Sorry that I'm so late with this review.) Since this is A-class I'm going to skip most of the minor style nitpicks which can be fixed during (or before) a FA nomination. Other issues:

Overall, there are a lot of statistics tables throughout the article – have you considered making the Australia stats for each game collapsible, and collapsed by default? This might improve the readability of the article while retaining the relevant stats for those who are interested.
 * Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Medals are mentioned in relation to 2000 and 2004. For 2012, all that is mentioned is losing the final; does this equate to silver?
 * Yes. Added words to that effect. Before every game at the NGA there was a spiel about the team, emphasising how these Aussie battlers have never won at the Paras or the Worlds. After Toronto 2014, their record remains intact. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Its hard to see any details of the team in the top image; a cropped (and maybe wider?) version would look better.
 * Well, on my monitor at 2560x1600, the 300px (my default) image is about 5cm across. Clicking on it gives you an 800px image. I think it's a fabulous image. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded a cropped version so we can compare:
 * I'll leave it up to you – the original is better when viewed at a larger 800px, but should we be expecting that readers will actually click on the thumbnail? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Can the image be put inside the info box (which is the convention I see for most other articles on Wikipedia).
 * No, the particular infobox does not support that. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, infoboxes can be adjusted... I'll make a proposal on the template talk page and see what people think. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Enlarged the image at the top to make it easier to view everything. I prefer the full image, which provides context. You can see the crowd and the media. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Background
 * – not sure about the "not even been born" comment. Seems a little redundant given the dates 1992, 2012, and the age of 19. Maybe rearranging the sentence to The youngest, who had not even been born when Carter had played in Barcelona, was her 19-year-old teammate Merritt.
 * Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The gallery caption says "2011–12", but the text of the article only mentions 2012
 * Changed to "2012". People from other countries sometimes have the notion that the national teams are thrown together for big events. This is not the case in Australia. The Gliders are a permanent team, with a full-time head coach. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Group stage
 * Splitting a quotation between inline with the paragraph, and indented after the paragraph, is a bit disconcerting. It is also quite a long quotation, all together - takes up about half the text in that section above the table. Both issues can be resolved by paraphrasing the first part of the quotation (the quote)
 * ? - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Abbreviations used in the table need to be explained, at least on their first use (MOS:ABBR) – could be done at the bottom of the table with the colour key.
 * Added. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Grey summary boxes
 * Again, abbreviations used without explanation (Rebs? Asts?)
 * Added Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The "Report" link should be formatted as a source (like the bottom of "Australia – Group A Preliminary – Australia vs Brazil" table) rather than a plain external link - assuming that is the source.
 * I can't. It's a standard template shared with many, many articles. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the templates can have parameters added so that this article can have consistently formatted citations (A-Class criteria A1. / WP:FACR 2.c.), and follow the WP:External links guideline (external links should not normally be used in the body of an article, with rare exceptions).
 * E.g. in Template:2012 Summer Paralympics women's wheelchair basketball game A2, the line | report    = Report can be changed to | report     = , which will allow this article to specify something like |report=Source: Source name without effecting any other articles. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Uh, okay. Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Canada
 * – is this relevant?
 * The GA reviewer thought so. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Gold medal match – Germany
 * The last paragraph is basically just two quotations, which seem quite long for quotations (3+ sentences each). Surely some of the information there could be paraphrased?
 * I don't think so. Kristina Keneally's comments I thought were really well said. They were sincerely meant, but you can also feel the sense of disappointment. At the time I wrote the article I did not realise how strongly she felt. I thought Bridie's comments end the article on a nice note. I also wanted to work "12 deep" in somewhere. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. But maybe we could have some words in between the two quotations? At the moment Keneally's quotation ends, and the next one begins with readers not knowing who they belong to for another 30 words. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Added a bit more to separate the two. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The article is looking pretty good otherwise. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review!
 * Resolved issues struck, and see replies above - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Support - Evad37 &#91;talk] 00:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by AustralianRupert
Support: G'day, sports articles aren't my forte, but I had a look anyway. I believe that this is probably up to snuff for an A-class, and have the following comments/suggestions:
 * The article is well referenced using a consistent style, it appears to have adequate coverage, and is illustrated with appropriate images.
 * "The first stage of the Paralympic completion was the group stage..." (should "completion" be "competition"?)
 * Yes. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "quarter–time break" (this should probably be a hyphen, not an endash)
 * Removed the endash
 * "Heidelberg Leader" should probably be in italics in the References
 * Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * inconsistent presentation "del Toso" v. "Delt Toso"
 * It should be "Del Toso". Corrected.
 * some terms/links are probably overlinked. For instance, multiple mentions of the same player in the summary sections, e.g. " Pts: Estrada Bernal 11, Rebs: Estrada Bernal 4, Asts: Estrada Bernal 16 "
 * Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "|author=aa/jjs " --> is this correct?
 * Yes. Removed. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review! Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Anotherclown
Support - I've no idea about this topic but in the interests in trying to get WP:AUS A class off the ground I'll chime in:
 * Overall this article looks in very good shape to me and I'd say it meets the A class criteria.
 * Is there a missing word here: "The official announcement of the membership of Paralympic team...", i.e. should it be "The official announcement of the membership of the Paralympic team..."?
 * Yes. Well spotted. I have corrected it. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "Crispin made only 3 out of 10 shots, and Merritt only 4 out of 16." I assuming these figures are for the whole game? I had to read it a few times because it sounded like it was just for the fourth quarter (which wouldn't make sense given AS only scored two points in the fourth quarter). Possibly clarify? Anotherclown (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for the whole game. I've clarified the point. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review. Much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

This article needs an image review, and a source review for formatting/reliability - Evad37 &#91;talk] 04:44, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Review by Dan arndt
Support however the following issues need to be addressed: I hope that helps. Dan arndt (talk) 06:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ref 2 - link to Heidelberg Leader
 * Ref 6 - dead link
 * Ref 11 - link to The Sun rather than sun.uk.com
 * Ref 12 - the article's author is Yves Eggleston : 23 December 2011
 * Ref 26 - the article's author is Frederic J. Brown
 * Ref 28 - this links to a wikinews article not Paralympic News Service
 * Ref 49 - publisher is Australian Paralympic Committee
 * Ref 53 - publication date is 7 September 2012
 * Ref 55 - publication date is 10 April 2013
 * Ref 56 - publication date is 31 May 2013
 * In the references the publisher only needs to be linked once (i.e. Australian Paralympic Committee is link in Ref 3, 13 & 17.. and Basketball Australia is also linked numerous times)
 * Thanks for your review! Much appreciated. I have made all the changes suggested. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * you missed one Ref 1 & 4 both link to Basketball Australia. Dan arndt (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unlinked in ref 4. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Review by Lankiveil
I am mainly going to concentrate on images and licences.


 * File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012.jpeg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons so no concerns.
 * 1) Various "kit" images, used in the infobox, all PD.
 * File:Sarah Vinci 1.png - CC-BY-SA-3.0, although this is a PNG and should be a JPG.
 * File:190411 - Cobi Crispin - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:310511 - Bridie Kean - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:190411 - Amanda Carter - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:150611 - Tina McKenzie - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:190411 - Leanne Del Toso - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:170511 - Clare Nott - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:150611 - Kylie Gauci - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:140611 - Shelley Chaplin - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:150611 - Sarah Stewart - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:140611 - Katie Hill - 3b - 2012 Team processing.jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:Amber Merritt of the Australian Gliders (cropped).jpg - CC-BY-SA-3.0
 * File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012 - 2.jpg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons.
 * File:Australia - Canada, women's wheelchair basketball at Paralympics 2012 - 3.jpg - CC-BY-2.0, taken from Flickr but the licence there matches what is on Commons.

In short, no serious problems. I would recommend converting that PNG to a JPEG or other format more suitable for photographic images. I also think that the images are not evenly distributed throughout the article, and the bottom of the article looks a little bare compared to the top half, although I also realise that you're limited to working with what is available to you. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC).
 * Thanks for your review! The frustration here is that I have plenty of images but... I cannot use them, because they are under a non-commercial licence. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand the frustration! Just to be clear, there's nothing here that in my opinion should stand in the way of this article's promotion.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC).


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