Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Honoré de Balzac

Honoré de Balzac
I have taken the HdB page from start-class through a successful GA review. It has been thoroughly combed over by the inestimable Awadewit, and I'm interested in submitting it to FA candidacy. I've worked really hard on it (to which he can attest), and I've got my eyes on the FA star. Thanks in advance. — Scartol  ·  Talk  01:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, Balzac. Haven't read anything of his besides Père Goriot a few years back, but it was the only good novel I read in school that year... I admit my experience with biographies of high quality is somewhat less than my real areas of expertise on the wiki, but I'll try and throw in some good comments at least.
 * References: this is just me, but I can see some FAC reviewers wanting more references. Six references isn't too much. But I can't say too much about their quality.
 * Lead: to me, it seems a bit disjointed. The first paragraph is fine, but the next three seem to sort of "jump". While they do summarize the rest of the article, they appear awkward, like you threw them in after reading over it once. Perhaps merge the last three paragraphs into one, which flows better? It's especially jarring since the rest of the body prose is excellent.
 * Other than those minor and extremely subjective suggestions, I have nothing more to add. The flow seems fine, and the layout and organization roughly corresponds to other writer FA's, so it doesn't look like anything is missing. If this comes up for FAC sometime, I'll be sure to chime in my hearty support. :) Happy editing, David Fuchs ( talk  ) 15:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks kindly. I agree that the lead is a bit jerky, but I'm at a loss as to how to rewrite it. I think I may be too involved at this point (even after a bit of a break), so if anyone has ideas, please let me know. If the sources provided aren't sufficient, I'm at a loss; it's all the local library had on the man, and I think we can all agree that the information paints a pretty detailed picture.


 * Thanks again. — Scartol  ·  Talk  21:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, on my most recent re-reading, it seems to flow more smoothly than I remembered it. But of course I'm not an objective judge. Other folks? — Scartol  ·  Talk  21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, APR t 17:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Great article. The biography is really top notch, reviewers at FAC are much pickier than I am, and they might have isolated suggestions, but everything you need about his life is there.  You could probably break the bibliography into a second article, if you so desire.  Right now, it takes up about half the table of contents.
 * My only suggestion is to have more about his place in French and world literature. What are the hallmarks of Balzac's work that mark it as realism?  Why do some argue that it's naturalism?  What was his influence on Zola?  On Flaubert?  Books on French literature, on realism, or on respective authors that he has influenced should have good bits.  (This will also help improve the sourcing—unfortunately David Fuchs is right, reviewers at FAC are going to want to see more sources.  You can also use Keim and Lumet, and the anthrapoetics journal articles as sources, rather than external links.)
 * I think this is very close to featured article quality, it might pass as it stands, but I think that more about his place in the western literary canon will be the clincher. And, as a side note, I just learned about the ability to link references like in the Charles Darwin article.  I'd be happy to help implement that nifty linking here, if interested. --JayHenry 00:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Some more thoughts on sourcing: when presenting an article with relatively few sources you'll want to have evidence that they're exceptionally good sources. A simple link to a review attesting that they're good, especially comprehensive, etc. should help quell concerns.  When you say local library do you mean the 10th largest research library in North America?  You probably can't check books out, but I'll bet you can get in and make photocopies.  No students will be there on a Saturday morning in September, and in just two or three hours you can probably find a few really good books, skim their introductions for relevant material, take some good notes.  Make a copy or two if needed.  Some people (me) really enjoy this sort of thing, others not so much.  If you think you might enjoy it, it will definitely help push the article across the FA threshold. --JayHenry 01:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * One more quick thought -- a little bit more about his place in world literature might also be what's needed to really make that lead pop. --JayHenry 01:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)