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 * Place the project banner on the talk pages of all relevant content.
 * Place all such pages on the list at WikiProject Catholicism/Articles
 * Check the recent changes for recent improvements, vandalism, and other changes.
 * For Catholicism article cleanup listing here from CleanupWorklistBot.

Upmerge Category:9th-century Roman Catholic bishops
Please see my proposal to upmerge Category:9th-century Roman Catholic bishops to Category: 9th-century bishops, and associated comments on other needed categories by century etc. Hugo999 (talk) 12:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

American Roman Catholic bishops, clergy etc
Please see my proposal to rename or upmerge Category:Roman Catholic clergy in the United States, Category:American Roman Catholics by occupation and *Category:Roman Catholic bishops in the United States. Hugo999 (talk) 12:18, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Catholic Church and Roman Catholic
Complaint: You people should really prioritize moving the "Roman Catholic Church" page to just "Catholic Church" For the following reasons:

Dr mindbender 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) I hate to tell to you this but Eastern Catholics, esp. Byzantine Catholics and Middle Eastern Catholics bristle at being called Roman. They are Catholics, yes, and obey the Pope (Benedict XVI), yes, but by golly they're not Roman. It's bad enough they're persecuted silently in predominantly Orthodox or non-Christian or Muslim countries, but its worse to suffer the indignity of being called Roman from fellow Catholics and ignored that they are also Catholics.
 * 2) I find it intellectually perverse that when you search for Catholic Church you are redirected to Roman. Everybody in the world practically knows what you refer to when you refer to the Catholic Church. Another annoying thing is that I noticed that the Catholic Church article is being defined from the point of view of Anglicans - simply absurd. An honest encyclopedic article should be rendered from the point of view of the subject first and foremost, beginning what it means according to itself, according to its own definition of itself. Only then do you branch out the multiple uses of the term as they are used by lesser known or lesser popular entities.
 * 3) Having been educated at a de facto communist university and a proud source of communist party members, assassins, radicals, malcontents and supporters in decades past, surrounded by atheist and socialist friends, I can proudly say that I can be a very objective editor. An atheist can spit at your God or any god for that matter and get away with it. An objective atheist editor may not believe in your religion (the opium of the masses) but he should bloody hell respect it and treat it from their point of view first and foremost.
 * 4) A point of view is necessary; the point of view of the religion in question — otherwise you lose context. Only after setting and writing about the subject from the subject's point of view, only then can you write the counter-point. Only science can be written about with a neutral point of view. Religion is a belief system, ergo, it is dogmatic. It is practically the antithesis of science; there can never be a NPOV - the idea is misleading, dishonest, and stupid. The humanities will always be subject to a point of view simply because it is not science.
 * 5) The historicity of a religion can be objective simply because it is a series of events founded on facts or at least it can be treated similarly as a science, an object of history. Where it is based on tradition, it should be noted. When no counter example can be found, the tradition should hold - in order to preserve context.
 * 6) I have problems with the terminology and a lot of articles related to the Catholic Church. I have looked at the official sites of the Patriarch of Constantinople, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lutherans, Armenian Orthodox, etc. - and they call themselves that - they don't call themselves as "Catholic", they don't refer to themselves as "Catholic". You define yourself by what you call yourself, otherwise you fall prey to being defined by what others call you - you're at the receiving end of childish name calling: nigger, fat-ass, shorty, fag, homo, loser - you get the point. You should concede that as far as these religions are concerned, they or some of them profess that they are part of the "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church" but that is as far as they go. I have tried to ask some of my Orthodox acquaintances if they are Catholic and the reactions are pretty blunt. The same goes to the protestants. They treat the word "catholic" like the plague. In an intellectual symposium, you may discuss it in detail ad nauseam - but don't do this in an encyclopedia.
 * 7) These articles related to the Catholic Church should be reviewed and edited correctly. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It should be understood by an 8th to 12th grader. Some editors make it overly complex in terms of minutiae - which is better suited to a specialist's journal. The writing should be elegant and concise and where there is minute detail - it should be left to the footnotes for the reader to open.
 * 8) I found the reasons of Vaquero100 to be very logical. Very intelligently thought-out reasoning. It is only my opinion, but his inputs are worth doing. The wikipedia articles regarding the Catholic Church should be written properly since, unfortunately, wikipedia is becoming more and more as a "trustworthy" source of information to today's students.
 * 9) My interest in wikipedia is simply as an intellectual outlet. Maybe I should have stuck to ancient Roman religion - but hey, where's the fun? There's just something in-your-face about the Catholic Church - huh, but what do I know.

Think before you speak. You have an issue with the Catholic Church, and you are disruptive to NPOV. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination of the Catholic Church, and the differences between the Eastern Catholic Churches compared to the Roman Catholic Church are titular only. Stop your whinging, and accept that the title of the greater Catholic Church is Roman. You claim to be an objective editor, only after claiming pride on association with Communist/Socialist and Atheist friends, and that you have a source of information regarding a plethora of Left Wing issues. So what? Any decent university has access to left wing people's biographies. Even if you have access, you still need to cite sources so your statement is irrelevant. I can very well say I can go to the library and tell you all about Jamie Hunter Cartwright, for example, and therefore my word on the issue does not need citing. Nor does it make me any more of an expert on Catholicism! Oh, and just so you know, the phrase is "Opiate of the Masses". Eedo Bee 09:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I see that user Eedo Bee has been blocked indefinitely. If the previous tirade is any indication of his approach to editing then I understand why. Majoreditor 23:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, the word "Roman Catholic" is not meant to imply that the followers of the religion are Roman in descent; rather it refers to the fact that the church was first legally established in Rome, and that Vatican City, the physical location of the leadership of the "Roman Catholic Church" is located within Rome. In addition, it is used to differentiate the church from other churches which identify themselves as "Catholic" (a word which means "universal", and is not inseparably bound to one religion or another). The use of the word Roman does not refer to the Roman race, and certainly not to the ancient Roman system of deities. Hey jude, don&#39;t let me down 15:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * ROMAN Does not belong as an antecedent to Catholic Church

1. You will find that the Church's own official documents never refer to the Church as the Roman Catholic Church.

2. As best as I can learn, the "Roman" antecedant was first used by Anglicans and perpetuated by Protestants in general to "localize" the See of Peter as just the "Roman church" which "papists" wrongly give allegiance -- when in fact, they claim, any other national church (the Anglican or French, for example) is allegedly equal to the Roman church.

3. I would love it if the bishops would start insisting that (a) the yellow pages list all Catholic Churches under Catholic, or at least Catholic - Latin Rite and (b) send out routine corrections to all the media when Roman Catholic is used.

The problem: it is a church without a name. The church in question calls itself 'The Church' (but there is more than one 'church' - denomination) or the 'Holy Roman Church' (which does not make clear that the Eastern Rite has separate patriarchs & overlooks the use of 'Roman Rite'). People call it the 'Catholic Church' (but other churches use this name) or the 'Roman Catholic Church' (but it is not all of the Roman Rite). It needs a distinctive name! MH au 06:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There is only one catholic church but many parts of this catholic church and the ROMAN Catholic Church is one of the parts with the claim to be the head of all the parts and the goal to unite them all. So the ROMAN is needet to express reality. After complete union it might become unnecessary, but not before --Templeknight (talk) 16:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe it is NPOV to say that the Catholic Church contains various rites (eg. Roman, Eastern, Anglican), but as a whole it is one church. I do believe, therefore, that the suggestion holds great merit.  In fact, I believe accuracy demands it.  -- Alvincura (talk) 20:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The Catholic church is Roman, because its center is Rome. If Rome is destroyed, it shall be rebuilt, for God has made a covenant with the Roman Pontiff. It is unseperable. Now if we wish to speak about churches with the little c, then of course, the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church is further organized into the "Latin Church" or "Roman" and a several "Oriental" churches. A Melkite Rite catholic is still very Roman, because the union is with the Roman Pontiff and it is universal. Sure his customs may be different, beautiful and a symbol of the "catholic" aspect of the Church. It is not only to one race or nation, but the whole Universe. But its unity is in Rome. Cursed who despises the title of being Roman, because it deep inside a consequence of pride and egalitarianism. Be I of Syro, Urkrainian, or Latin rite, I am still a son of the Holy Father, Bishop of Rome, Supreme Pontiff, Pastor of the Church. KNIGHT 746 (talk) 19:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I made a quick review of the Orientalium Ecclesiarum Decreewhich makes clear the difference between the individual Churches or Rites (Eastern or Western) and the Holly Catholic Church (note there is no Roman anywhere in there). Similarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church states I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, again, no Roman anywhere in the creed itself. The authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Holly Catholic Church as a whole and the fact that his Apostolic See is actually Rome, is something different. So I concur with the merit of the suggestion and that it is in favour of the NPOV. BTW no need to curse anyone for posing suggestions on how to make articles more accurate. --Sacalvo (talk) 06:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Prioritizing this will adhere to WP:COMMONNAME. The common adjective commonly used used is "Catholic" rather than "Roman Catholic" because the latter is longer. The word "Catholic" already implies any individual or entity in communion with Rome. --Anime (talk) 13:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like this debate was finally settled--thank goodness! Only took what, 7 years? Praise be to God. 8bitW (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Future articles for consideration
A scheme of articles which could be tied to the Catholic Church main page. Months of discussion on the Catholic Church page have gone into a plan to move as much detail off of the page as possible while connecting readers to a wide variety of articles. Much of the work has been done to move excessive content off to other pages. However, there is a need to put introductory material for many articles onto the main page to give readers an idea of the scope of material available.

I applaud the current effort to evaluate where we stand in developing WP articles, and am looking forward to digging into the project myself, I am concerned though that the present plan isn't as vision oriented as I would hope. I am re-presenting in link-fashion a working list of articles that has been in discussion for several months. Some of the articles have been developed since that conversation began, many have not.

There are few topics as complex and extensive as the Catholic Church, perhaps none. What other institution could produce a 28 volume Encyclopedia about itself--twice? This list below is partial and in my view represents a rather modest horizon.

While it is great to have the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia available online[www.newadvent.com] is has a tendency perhaps to limit our thinking by almost a century in many cases. There are many obvious articles to be developed (such as "Catholic devotions") which are the subject of hundreds--even thousands--of websites already. This is the easy work. However, there are many articles that I believe should appear here (and frankly I would love to read myself) which have not even begun to be touched and will have to be "researched" with more intensity and precision. Vatican Diplomatic Corps, for example, would be a fantastic read, could cover or at least introduce such topics as the role of the Church in the fall of the Soviet Union, the Church's influence in third world debt relief, the development of the Just War theory (in the Cold War and the War on Terror) etc. Also, it should be noted that while there are many topics the Catholic Church has in common with other Churches, such as "bishop" and "sacraments," there are perhaps many, many, many more that can be written only about the Catholic Church as it is the only institution which maintains a comprehensive body of teaching on every aspect of human endeavor.

I would hope that the articles listed below which have not yet been started, could at least begin in stub form and become part of the evaluation process. This list may stimulate your thoughts on other topics, please feel free to add topics you feel are missing. A second repository for articles being requested is here:


 * Catholic Article Requests 2
 * Phos Hilaron - Western Catholic Use of hymn Mangoe 18:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Scripture (Catholic Church) Any thoughts are welcome over at my draft. - Pax   Verbum  22:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC) <- Suggested added Twillisjr (talk) 02:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Catholic Bishops' Conference of Mexico <- Mexican Episcopal Conference was developed with similarities of request. Twillisjr (talk) 17:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Church-State relations (Catholic Church)
 * Reformation theology and the Catholic Church
 * Diplomatic relations (Catholic Church)
 * Catholic Church and the United Nations
 * Children of the Light (bible) See: Children of Light (Ephesians and Gospel of John)
 * Salim (the location mentioned as close to a place John the Baptist baptized in John 3:23)
 * Government of the Catholic Church (ecclesiology) (An article on general Christian ecclesiology already exits.)
 * Theology of priesthood (Catholic Church)
 * Education (Catholic Church)
 * Higher education (Catholic Church) (How would this differ from Catholic higher education?)
 * Medical profession (Catholic Church)
 * Biomedical ethics (Catholic Church)
 * Legal profession (Catholic Church)
 * Priestless Catholic parishes
 * Fine Arts (Catholic Church) <- Please see this template: Template:Vatican City Art Exhibits
 * Catholic teaching on faith and reason - [| Created a draft here] Moony483 (talk) 14:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Catholic politicians -- "Category: Catholic politicians" started, please install HotCat and expand to others
 * Catholic teaching on evolution
 * Catholicism and the sciences
 * Anglican Use in the Catholic Church
 * Catholic teachings on sexual morality
 * Prayer forms (Catholic Church)
 * Vocational discernment in the Catholic Church
 * Catholic teachings on business ethics
 * Papacy in scripture, tradition, and history
 * Medieval Church History
 * Catholicism and modern history
 * Catholic teachings on pacifism and the Just War Theory (One may need only to expand what is said in Catholic peace traditions. And wouldn't what little doctrine the Church has on Just war theory not be better placed in that article?)
 * Catholicism and the wars of religion
 * Historically Catholic nations See Skeleton: Template:Roman Catholicism in Mexico, Ideas for EU? Talk Page Twillisjr (talk) 20:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Marian doctrines of the Catholic Church
 * Catholicism and the Evanglical Christian movements
 * Catholic apologetics
 * Catholic liturgy
 * Reforms of the Second Vatican Council
 * Vatican II era in the Catholic Church (1961-1978)
 * Pope John Paul II era in the Catholic Church (1978-2005)
 * Catholicism and mystical experience
 * Canon Law (Catholic Church)
 * Catholic Liturgical Music - an historical overview <- See: Contemporary Catholic liturgical music, Gloria in excelsis Deo, Liturgical music (perhaps a redirect and "See also" will complete this request)? Twillisjr (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

... and whatever else may be missing... I am looking forward to good discussions with you all on the Talk page. Vaquero100 18:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles needed

 * Alexandrina Society - Ireland, Blessed Alexandrina da Costa
 * Cesare Balbo Circle
 * Desierto de Bolarque - English: Carmelite Desert Hermitage es:Desierto de Bolarque needs English translation; see: Thomas á Jesu
 * Diocesan enquiry (Marthe Robin): Mystical Phenomena
 * List of Custodes of the Holy Land is a page in need of development. Twillisjr (talk 00:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholic Pro-life movement
 * Roman Catholic Peace and Justice Movement (Since Catholic social teaching is universal but movements are national or continental, should this not read "movements"?)
 * Reformation theology (Shouldn't this be Counter-reformation theology?)
 * Roman Catholic Church and the United Nations
 * Roman Catholic Ecclesiology (An article on general Christian ecclesiology already exits.)
 * Roman Catholic theology of priesthood
 * Roman Catholic Education
 * Roman Catholic Higher education
 * Medical profession (Roman Catholic)
 * Biomedical ethics (Roman Catholic)
 * Legal profession (Roman Catholic)
 * Priestless Roman Catholic parishes
 * Fine Arts (Roman Catholic)
 * Roman Catholic teaching on faith and reason
 * Roman Catholic politicians
 * Roman Catholicism and the sciences
 * Roman Catholic teachings on business ethics
 * Roman Catholic theology of the Papacy
 * Christianity of the Middle Ages
 * Modern history of Roman Catholicism
 * Roman Catholic teachings on pacifism and Just War
 * Roman Catholicism and the wars of religion
 * Historically Roman Catholic nations - Catholic Church by country
 * Marian doctrines of the Catholic Church
 * Roman Catholicism and Evanglical Christianity
 * Reforms of the Second Vatican Council
 * Second Vatican Council era in the Roman Catholic Church (1961-1978)
 * Pope John Paul II era in the Roman Catholic Church (1978-2005)
 * Roman Catholicism and mystical experience
 * Roman Catholic Liturgical Music - an historical overview
 * Truth of the Roman Catholic Church-(could use a better name)
 * Roman Catholicism and Francisco Franco or Relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and Francisco Franco
 * Pius X Secular Institute (ISPX}
 * Our Lady of the Blue Mountains


 * Perhaps for the "Truth about the Catholic Church" heading we could put together a section about "Common Misunderstandings about the Catholic Church"--Smak 84 (talk) 16:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Categories
The Roman Catholic Church category is a total mess. I am prepared to put in significant effort to do a major reorganization. First, let's agree to a category tree structure. This is my initial proposal. Let's talk it out. Articles that don't fit nicely into subcategories will go into the overarching category. For instance, "History of monasticism" may go into "Roman Catholic Church History and Politics," since it doesn't fall neatly into any of the subcategories.MamaGeek (Talk/Contrib) 14:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Category Tree

 * Category:Roman Catholic Church
 * Category:Roman Catholic Church organisation
 * Category:Roman Catholic orders and societies
 * Category:Roman Catholic Church by Region
 * Category:Roman Catholic religious
 * Category:Catholic Lay Societies
 * Category:Catholic youth organizations
 * Cateogory:Roman Catholic worship
 * Category:Catholic liturgy
 * Category:Catholic spirituality
 * Category:Catholic theology and doctrine
 * Category:Roman Catholic art
 * Category:Roman Catholic History and Politics
 * Category:Historic events in the Catholic Church
 * Category:Catholic political organizations
 * Category:Roman Catholic heresy
 * Category:Movements against Catholicism
 * Category:Catholic Church Controversy
 * Category:Roman Catholics (please help move all the people here into the appropriate subcategories)
 * Category:Popes
 * Category:Saints
 * Category:Venerated Catholics
 * Category:Catholic Religious
 * Category:Notable Lay Catholics
 * Category:Roman Catholics by nationality
 * Category:Roman Catholics by occupation
 * Category:Roman Catholic dioceses
 * Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Europe
 * Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Germany
 * Category:Saint stubs
 * Category:Roman Catholic church stubs

Not all are done. Significant work remains in South America and in Africa/Asia. North America is complete, and Europe is almost finished. Benkenobi18 (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why is theology and doctrine underneath Roman Catholic worship? It surely deserves to be seperate. JASpencer 19:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That was exactly my thought as well. Amicuspublilius 15:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Reorganisation of the category is a good idea but where do the dioceses go? MH au 07:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

This is my proposal, and what I've been working on for the last while.

Templates
The Template: Catholic Church in the Philippines variant was mostly completed and the Mexico version needs help. It can be found here: Template:Catholic_Church_in_Mexico Twillisjr (talk) 15:54, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Catholic Theology

 * Purgatory - Confusing on Catholic position
 * Please double check this, it has been edited by myself and others. The general article needs revising, but insofar as Catholic dogma is concerned, I find it to be adaquate at this point.  Am I wrong?Amicuspublilius 03:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks adequate to me, as far as the Catholic position goes. Anybody else? Cheyinka 08:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Prayer before a Crucifix - Stub needs history
 * Modernism (Roman Catholicism) (more citations needed)

Catholic People

 * Ruy Gonçalo do Valle Peixoto de Villas Boas - Portuguese engineer and politician; Grand Commander of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
 * Fr. Lucian - Visions led this priest to the relics of Saint Stephen
 * Diego Ramirez Farina - Missionary who served with Saint Peter Claver
 * Dom Antonio - Monk and colleague of St. Frances of Romema
 * Louisa Jaques “Sister Mary of the Holy Trinity” alleged Mystic
 * Maria von Mörl - Alleged mystic; German: de:Maria von Mörl
 * Mary-Josepha Kümi - Swiss Dominican and alleged mystic
 * Mother Maria Concetta Saraceni - Other Names: Maria Cherubina, Maria Cherubina Chiara of Saint Francis, Maria Cherubina Clara Saraceni
 * Pere Lamy - Priest and Mystic; French fr:Jean-Édouard Lamy
 * Bishop R. W. Bryan
 * Eurosia Fabris - looking for someone to proofread this article I wrote JHMM13 (T | C) [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px| ]] [[Image:Flag of Germany.svg|25px|]] 03:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Check it now. -- MatthewDBA 14:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Significant rework --  MamaGeek  TALK   CONTRIB      14:14, May 26, 2006 (UTC)
 * Fr. Egidio Galea - Maltese Augustinian priest who helped refuge many Jews along with Fr Hugh O'Flaherty during the Holocaust.


 * Henricus Sedulius, Catholic author, 17th century;
 * Paluzzo Cardinal Paluzzi Altieri Degli Albertoni, bishop of Montefiascone, Italy, 1666-1670; archbishop of Ravenna, Italy, 1670-1674; cardinal-bishop of Porto e Santa Rufina, 1698.
 * Has been done - Paluzzo Paluzzi Altieri degli Albertoni. Cheers, Stalwart 111  (talk) 00:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Sedevacantist, Traditionalist, and Schismatic Clergy
So I have started flagging these pages to come under this project, because I can't see any other place for them. I think we need to come up with a clear policy for what constitutes notability for clergy who have been illicitly ordained, since a lot of them, to be frank, aren't. I've prodded a few of the stubs, for not asserting notability. A lot of these pages also need POV cleanup, which I have been working on. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Shall I start a page to discuss policy on this? TallNapoleon (talk) 05:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes this is a very interesting topic. Since Consecration is valid but illicit (ordination is not recognized) they are all parts of roman catholic church. Most of them are excommunicated but some are in union again like the bishops of Society of St. Pius X. We should work on good articles in this topic. --Templeknight (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. How far should this be taken? There are Anglican bishops with valid (but illicit) ordinations (through Orthodox bishops) who identify as Catholic (I think Rowan Williams is one) but not in submission to Rome: why are they different from Catholic priests illicitly ordained who do not submit to Rome? If "Catholic" is just everyone who can say the Creed, then Lutherans are Catholics too: the term becomes meaningless from the POV of an encyclopedia. Rick Jelliffe (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Bishop Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige
Please have a look at this article about a catholic bishop Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige users deleted sources and tried to force their anti-catholic POV on it. They banned many people that tried to add sources. They didnt block me or Eastmain, but they deleted our sources we gave too. It appears that they don't like this catholic bishop.

Best version until now with 13 sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige&diff=343039227&oldid=343037941

And after deleting the sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige&action=historysubmit&diff=343481960&oldid=343039227

(At first they had planned on deleting the whole article but it didnt work)

Check out at the information on these other wikipedia articles about Seiwert Fleige and compare them to the info that is on there now. You will notice that its quite the opposite:

Pierre_Martin_Ngô_Đình_Thục

Palmarian_Catholic_Church

Sedevacantism

Clemente_Domínguez_y_Gómez  --Michelle cannon (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * See also where he is no longer a Palmerian which comments "several Dioceses in Germany have put out warnings against his illicit activities by which some priests and faithful have already been deceived, sometimes not without spiritual or financial damage."  The Wikipedia article on Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige has been taken down. I suggest this comment can be treated as stale and archived. Rick Jelliffe (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Mother Teresa
There is a lively discussion/debate on criticism of Mother Teresa if anyone wishes to weigh in. Majoreditor 18:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Catholic Saint Update

 * Fourteen Holy Helpers - Polish; pl:Czternastu_Świętych_Wspomożycieli
 * Abdiesus (saint) - Saint Abdiesus
 * Saint Abdon - Saint Abdon (c.303)
 * Saint Abibas - Saint Abibas; see Gamaliel and Nicodemus
 * Abundantius of Fiesole - Saint
 * Abundantius of Ossuna - Saint
 * Abundantius of Putignano - Saint
 * Saint Sapor - Also known as Saint Shapor
 * Padre Pio -- Take a look at my rewrite; I'd appreciate comments. MatthewDBA 16:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added some more on stigmata, but there really is a whole lot more to be done here. Anyway, take a look at what I've got so far.  We also need more citations, and better referencing in this article.  MamaGeek   TALK   CONTRIB    17:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Mother Teresa -- POV problems
 * Our Lady of Fatima There was an attempt to remove any mention of John Paul II from the article.
 * I hope I am on the right place: here is serious problem with article Miguel Pro. But my English is to bad for reparing these article. Can somebody look at this? Cinik 11:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Edmund the Martyr -- POV problems. At least two Anglican editors pushing POV/editing war. Help required. 85.25.136.207 (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Popes
Pope section for any pope details which have not been added to Wikipedia:

(Add below)

Pope Benedict XVI and Ecumenism Orthodox
Pope Benedict XVI set the tone for his papacy's approach to ecumenism the day after his election, on 20 April 2005, when he declared in a key speech to the cardinals in the Sistine Chapel interpreted as a statement of his vision that: "Peter's current Successor takes on as his primary task the duty to work tirelessly to rebuild the full and visible unity of all Christ's followers. This is his ambition, his impelling duty. He is aware that good intentions do not suffice for this. Concrete gestures that enter hearts and stir consciences are essential, inspiring in everyone that inner conversion that is the prerequisite for all ecumenical progress." The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope has a leading role among Christians because as Bishop of Rome he is successor to the apostle Peter who first held the office. Accordingly, Catholic ecumenism as practised by Benedict XVI conceptualised the papacy as a source and mark of unity. However, the role of the papacy remains a source of controversy, not only for Protestant denominations but also for Eastern Orthodox churches, who likewise do not accept Petrine primacy as defined at the First Vatican Council. Benedict's approach to ecumenism, therefore, polarised opinion in the Catholic Church and in other denominations, with some praising it as constructive and others criticising it as having been damaging to ecumenical dialogue.

I think this piece should be rewritten because it depicts a wrong image of those relations (negative), because of the big progress made with the Russian Orthodox church and the other Eastern Richardprins (talk) 15:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Pope Urban I
Could someone have a wander over, review my work and maybe give the page a rating. I dont think it qualifies as a stub anymore either. Gavin Scott 17:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello there, almost a year has passed since my request for an article review- perhaps I put it in the wrong place (I wasn't very familier with the Project and indeed, im still not). Anyway, just an update Saint Urban's article has been given quite a makeover by myself- and some others- over the last year. Indeed I discovered that much of what I presented back in May 2007 was all untrue- the Pope was never martyred as I originally believed, ofcourse these difficulties exist when writing about the early Popes. Any feedback is still wanted. Gavin Scott (talk) 00:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Encyclicals
There is a List of Encyclicals of Pope John Paul II, List of Encyclicals of Pope John XXIII, List of Encyclicals of Pope Paul VI, and List of Encyclicals of Pope Pius XI. Theres also a List of Encyclicals of Pope Benedict XVI but he's only written one, and it's fairly well covered.

Below are the JPII ones that need work / need to be started. Most of the ones that exist are only stubs, and all can use significant work.


 * Dives in Misericordia - On God's mercy given to the Church and the world
 * Laborem Exercens - On the 90th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum Novarum; the conflict of labour and capital, and the rights of workers
 * Slavorum Apostoli - In commemoration of Saints Cyril and Methodius
 * Dominum et Vivificantem - On the Holy Spirit in the life of the Church and the world
 * Redemptoris Mater - On the Blessed Virgin Mary in the life of the Pilgrim Church
 * Redemptoris Missio - On the permanent validity of the Church's missionary mandate
 * Solicitudo Rei Socialis (1987) - on the social concerns and teachings of the Church
 * Centesimus Annus (1991) - On the 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum
 * Evangelium Vitae - On the value and inviolability of human life
 * Ut Unum Sint - On commitment to ecumenism
 * Fides et Ratio - On the relationship between faith and reason
 * Ecclesia de Eucharistia - On the Eucharist in its relationship to the Church


 * Octogesima Adveniens (1971) - a social encyclical of Paul VI

Miscellaneous

 * Talk:Latin Church needs attention. Jzsj (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Cry for help in editing main page on Augustinians. Jzsj (talk) 12:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Missionaries of Charity- Obvious Point of View problem.  Needs revising. <- Please post POV on Missionaries of Charity

Talk page. Twillisjr (talk) 19:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Catholic STUB-O-Rama!
 * Međugorje Article is a mess of urgent protestations to the authenticity of this condemned apparition.
 * Category:Societies of Apostolic Life and Category:Institutes of Consecrated Life: Religious orders need to be added to these categories
 * Poverty - needs a section on religious vows of poverty and what they entail
 * Done, but may need more.Robotforaday 18:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Christianese - there's an interesting section about "the Roman church", presumably us. It needs work, but I'm struggling for how to reword the section. It might be interesting to give some examples within that section - Tradition vs tradition, others if someone thinks of them
 * I went to town on the article, since it was insidiously anti-Catholic. It is still partisan, but I'll leave Protestant sectarian POV to be rooted out by competing Protestant sectarians.  For the Catholic Church, I placed Catholic addenda.  Feel free to review and add/edit. Amicuspublilius 03:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * First Friday devotion --Hyphen5 05:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * ✅ Just completed the redirect, posted the article a week or so ago. -Pax85 (talk) 05:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Gregorian mass Could someone please proof read or add more to this page, thanks.
 * I have done this but this article is severely lacking and it requires a lot more research for expansion.-- S Masters (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC) -- :: Gregorian Mass is a redirect to Pope Gregory, any remaining notes from the previous? Twillisjr (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Martyrology of Usuard, Catholic entry needs tone editing. &mdash; Catherine\talk 19:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dies Domini or other name, for the 1998 papal letter about the Lord's Day (text)

Requests for Narration

 * Need any narrations?Go ahead and add any article!-- Tdxi a  ng  陈 鼎 翔  (Talk)  Contributions Contributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia

 * I think we should jump in on the effort to copy all Catholic Encyclopedia articles to Wikipedia.  MamaGeek  TALK   CONTRIB    12:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not verbatim of course. It almost always contains a distinct POV and is frequently out of date. See Catholic Encyclopedia topics for more guidelines about how to convert Catholic articles into Wikipedia ones. savidan(talk) (e@) 16:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You may visit the Article Repository on Wikipedia's Article request page under "Religion:Catholic" which begins with "people" and a separate section is "non-people" to see a handful of Saints from the AA-AC alphabetical order list which have no pages at all. This minor task is a test to see if we can move on the information given. Hope to see some results and when completed, someone can do AC-AF? That's how the workflow should go. Let's see what happens! Twillisjr (talk) 15:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Catholic Church Main-Page Project
There has been a great deal of discussion on Talk:Catholic Church about re-organiaing the page. Most recently this began with a proposal by Dominick to merge the Catholic, Criticisms of the Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church pages. There is a lot of merit in this approach and with some gradual persuasion of opponents we may eventually make progress toward having an article or two under the Catholic Church's name. I believe some real progross has been made recently on the Roman Catholic Church/Name page.

In the meantime, there is a great deal of cleaning up to do on the CC (RCC) mainpage. I have begun an initial clean up by moving excessive content to other articles and referencing them under their section headings on the CC page. In some cases I have created new articles by drawing together material from disparate locations and reorganizing it into a more coherent single article.

When we have cleared up the naming issue, which as I mentioned above is in the works, I believe that Cathlicism on WP could have its own portal as Eastern Christianity has done recently to good effect.

The topic of Catholicism as you all know is vast, perhaps meriting its own Wikipedia (as it already has its own encyclopedia in two editions) one day. Here are some topics I have thought of that could be organized an referenced on the CC page and eventually on a Catholicism portal. Many already exist under different titles or in stub form. The idea is to get them all tied into the main page for ease of reference for the user. Please feel free to add to the list or make modifications to reference articles already in existence or that you have created.

User:Vaquero100
 * Sacraments (Catholic Church)
 * CC and Scripture
 * Tradition in the CC
 * Eastern Rite Catholic Churches
 * CC and pro-life issues
 * CC and Church-State relations
 * CC and Reformation theology
 * CC and diplomatic relations
 * CC and the UN
 * Vatican City
 * CC government (ecclesiology)
 * CC and the theology of priesthood
 * CC and education
 * CC and higher education
 * CC and the medical profession (industry)
 * CC and biomedical ethics
 * CC and the legal profession
 * The Catholic parish
 * The priestless Catholic parish
 * CC and the arts
 * Faith and Reason in the CC
 * CC and Catholic politicians
 * CC and Evolution
 * CC and the Sciences
 * CC and the "Anglican Use"
 * Catholic teachings on sexual morality
 * Spiritualities and prayer forms of the CC
 * CC and Vocational discernment
 * CC and business ethics
 * Government of the CC
 * The Papacy in scripture, tradition, and history
 * Early Christian Church
 * Medieval Church History
 * CC perspectives on the Reformation
 * CC and Modern History
 * Pacifism and the Just War theory in the CC
 * CC and the wars of religion
 * Historically Catholic nations
 * Saints in the CC
 * Marian doctrines of the CC
 * CC and the Evanglical Christian movements
 * Catholic apologetics
 * Liturgy in the CC
 * Catholic Church and ecumenism
 * History of Religious Life in the CC
 * RCIA in the CC
 * The Reforms of Vatican II
 * CC and Society of Pius X
 * CC and History of celibacy
 * Lay movements in the CC
 * CC and relations with other catholic churches
 * The Vatican II era in the CC(1961-1978)
 * The John Paul II era in the CC(1978-2005)
 * Mysticism and the CC
 * Maria Valtorta Poem of the Man God
 * Canon law (Catholic Church)

Sign of the Cross
Could someone check out that article. I believe that article is relevant to the Catholic Church, but it seems that this article becomes very Eastern Orthodox oriented and leaving out all details related to the Western Christianity. Olentz 14:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC) "It seems that the edit war has stop, the article neutrality is acceptable now. However, I still think that this article is far from done. And I am sure that the sign of the cross is very familiar to most of us, Catholic. Olentz 05:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)"


 * As of now it is looking fairly decent. Should this section be pulled off of To-do? TMLutas (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We may be awaiting a Roman Catholic frontal view of the "Sign of the Cross" to balance the page, or perhaps something else? Twillisjr (talk) 20:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Being Stonewalled
I wanted to add in a line to show where Naturalism's core believe lays but it seems the some of them object to clearly stating their beliefs. What I wrote was discribed as an "invention of enemies of naturalism" and they are trying to stonewall my addition based not on truth but now on consensus building...where they refuse to give any sources of why what I wrote shouldn't be included. So to show more "Census building" I plead for other Catholics to help advance truth. Please visit the talk page of "Naturalism (philosophy)" Theology10101 (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are being 'stonewalled' for a reason; Please read WP:CANVASS before posting around for yes-men in the future. Ironholds (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ok to do Neutral Canvassing. I was neutral with my comments here...the only thing I asked was to advance truth. I didn't say what the truth was...but please stop following me around and make comments after every single edit I make in order to aggravate me and to discourage editing. Please see wiki's policy on trolling (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_is_a_troll%3F#Types_of_trolling) I'm not accusing you of it but behaviors might look similar. Theology10101 (talk) 23:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read the full canvassing details; a neutral message is not canvassing, but a neutral message to a select group of people who are perceived to have a particular stake in the subject under discussion is. I am not trolling (and I find it offensive that you say I am); I am posting here because your edit here is in direct relation to the discussion we are having on the Naturalism talkpage. It is not to frustrate you or to make editing difficult for you. 'I didn't say what truth it was', well surely you can only have one 'truth' at a time. You don't believe that there is only one true god and also that there are a thousand different gods, say. We do not deal with 'truths' on Wikipedia, we deal with hard, verifiable facts. Ours is not to judge, but to provide reliable references documenting all points of view on a particular topic. Describing something as 'truth' is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. And please don't use my 'documenting all points of view' bit to say that your point about Naturalism should be included in the article, that is a different matter entirely since that is dealing with the separation of information, not the removal of it. I invite all the people here to comment on the Naturalism (philosophy) talkpage, since I know that in this case you are in the wrong, not in terms of what is and is not 'naturalism' but where this information should be included. Ironholds (talk) 00:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My appologies, I didn't realize that Naturalism is a Religion. Thank you for allowing people who adhere to religion to comment on what is a simple logic of Naturalism that is cited by many sources and fits well into the Philosophy of Naturalism. Theology10101 (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What? Naturalism is not a religion, I never claimed it was. I assume you're being sarcastic; regardless, you've been told what is and is not meant to be covered by the Naturalism (philosophy) article and that is a discussion for there, not for here. Ironholds (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a total nonsense. Theology10101 is attempting to insert material which has nothing what so ever to do with the naturalising approaches to philosophy.  S/he has been pointed to the disambiguation page on "naturalising" but refuses to respond.  S/he has indulged in edit wars on the article in question and two others and has been banned for a period as a result.  His/her user page was subject to admin sanction for some of the comments about other editors (you will have to look at the edit history as Theology deletes anything unfavourable).   The statement by Theology10101 above bears no relation to the arguments that have been presented to him/her.  The sources s/he quotes are from web sites of dubious authority.  The behaviour of this editor is now becoming more and more akin to being a troll and far too  much time is being wasted.  I am a catholic, and I have a training in philosophy and I see no conflict between adopting a naturalising approach to ontology or epistemology and faith (this is not really relevant but it makes a point) -- Snowded   TALK  00:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Naturalism is not a religion it seems that ironholds thinks that Catholics can't be neutral for something that is a philosophy. Snowded, please Don't lie, I've never been banned, my citations are good....Please don't try to use this area for personal attacks and slander Theology10101 (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To be fair now I've checked you weren't banned just teetered on the edge (you were reverting so fast on three different articles it was difficult to keep up). The interesting edit on your talk page however is this deletion].  I think the problem is that you simply don't understand the replies that you are receiving from many editors, or the need for citations to be something other than a web site with no official status.  -- Snowded   TALK  01:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For fairness sake, I dropped all attention to other articles to defend one at a time. What I wrote in any article isn't wrong and am willing to defend. It was you also, who reverted every edit I've ever made in the past month all at one shot, even the revert of vandalism. I am able to clean up my own talk page. I'm planning on removing the rest as soon as all this slander is over with. But this is not the place for this...nor attacks. Please, please quit following me around every place I make an edit. Theology10101 (talk) 01:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This seems like an example of the difference between a neutral point of view and a Catholic point of view. For the latter (which is basically my own point of view), a Catholic wiki is more appropriate. --Hugetim (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Advanced
This is an area for more advanced developments which might better assist the Catholicism portal:


 * Infobox for Religious orders (ie: Franciscan Brothers of Brooklyn) rather than Carmelites having to use the "Infobox: Organization" template Twillisjr (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)