Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/IRC discussions/12 August 2008

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12:28 &lt;walkerma&gt; Beetstra - while you

12:28 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; heya dirk

12:28 &lt;walkerma&gt; are around

12:28 &lt;walkerma&gt; can we ask you how the bot thing is going?

12:28 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Hmm, they seem in the bot request more interested in the 'use revid' option

12:28 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Not in the repository

12:28 &lt;walkerma&gt; Will the "use revid" option work?

12:28 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Yes, works perfectly

12:29 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Will need some extra, though

12:29 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; well, not really, just check the page at this moment, and then put it in the correct way in the index

12:29 &lt;+dmacks&gt; So we store the revid of the page with "known good" infobox, and if any infobox data changes from that, it's flagged?

12:29 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Yep

12:30 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; so we can skip the 75 pages or so of "verified" data?

12:30 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; For the 'watched' fields with a red flag, the others with a green flag

12:30 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Yes ..

12:30 &lt;walkerma&gt; If that can work, I can see why Quadell would prefer it, it's much more elegat

12:30 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; I would suggest even, deleted them

12:30 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; It is quite elegant, actually

12:30 &lt;+dmacks&gt; And so en.WP finally gets page-patrolling:)

12:30 &lt;+dmacks&gt; yeah!

12:31 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; :)

12:31 &lt;walkerma&gt; Now all we need is for the Wikimedia to write the &lt;shoot vandal&gt; feature, and we'll be all set!

12:32 &lt;walkerma&gt; So, what do you need us to do, Dirk?

12:33 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:Beetstra has edited monitored page WikiProject Chemicals/Index - diff - (+865)- summary: fresh start

12:33 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Take a random page in mainspace with a chembox new

12:33 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Check the data

12:33 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; If all correct, take the revid, and put it in the index page

12:33 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals/Index

12:34 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; I'll do one

12:34 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; *waits & watches*

12:34 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; LOG saved to WikiProject Chemicals/Log/2008-08-12.

12:34 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:Beetstra has edited monitored page WikiProject Chemicals/Index - diff - (+19)- summary: Benzene example (may need an additional check

12:35 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; This may get messy in the end, though .. if that contains 4000 revids ..

12:35 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; in that format

12:35 &lt;walkerma&gt; Why would that be messy?

12:35 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:Beetstra has edited monitored page WikiProject Chemicals/Index - diff - (+4)- summary: change explanation

12:35 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; a huge unsorted list?

12:36 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; yes

12:36 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Well, it is easy to sort, load it into a text-editor, sort it, and paste it back

12:36 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i suppose from time to time we can have the list sorted

12:36 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; yeah

12:36 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; CheMoBot check Benzene

12:36 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Checking: Benzene -&gt; contains a Chembox_new, sourcing VerifiedPage; manager(s): User:Beetstra; IRC-manager(s): User:Wikimedia/Beetstra; channel: #wikichem.

12:36 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - incorrect: C ( - '6') - H ( - '6')

12:36 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: IUPACName ('Benzene') - CASNo ('71-43-2 ') - PubChem ('241') - SMILES ('c1ccccc1&lt;br /&gt; C1=CC=CC=C1 ') - InChI ('1/C6H6/c1-2-4-6-5-3-1/h1-6H') - RTECS ('CY1400000 ') - Formula ('C&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt;H&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; ')

12:36 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: MolarMass ('78.1121 g/mol ') - Density ('0.8786 g/cm^3, liquid ') - MeltingPtC ('5.5') - BoilingPtC ('80.1')

12:36 * Beetstra waits

12:36 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - unset: N - O - P - Cl - Br - I - B - EINECS - MeSHName - ChEBI - KEGG - MeltingPt - MeltingPtK - MeltingPtF - BoilingPt - BoilingPtK - BoilingPtF

12:36 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; that is wrong ..

12:36 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; why did you not load the fresh settings ..

12:37 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; CheMoBot quit

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12:37 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Eh ..

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12:39 * Beetstra hides

12:39 * Beetstra forgot to actually change the settings ..

12:39 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; heh

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12:39 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:Beetstra has edited monitored page User:CheMoBot/Settings - diff - (-7)- summary: use revid for chembox new

12:39 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; OK

12:39 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; CheMoBot check Benzene

12:39 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:71.185.224.126 has edited Chembox_new containing page Coumarin - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coumarin&diff=231481359&oldid=229972777 (+528) - Summary: ' /* Coumarin toxicity */ German tolerable daily intakes of coumarin'

12:39 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Coumarin links: http://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/279/frequently_asked_questions_about_coumarin_in_cinnamon_and_other_foods.pdf

12:39 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Checking: Benzene -&gt; contains a Chembox_new, sourcing Revid; manager(s): User:Beetstra; IRC-manager(s): User:Wikimedia/Beetstra; channel: #wikichem.

12:39 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: IUPACName ('Benzene') - CASNo ('71-43-2 ') - PubChem ('241') - SMILES ('c1ccccc1&lt;br /&gt; C1=CC=CC=C1 ') - InChI ('1/C6H6/c1-2-4-6-5-3-1/h1-6H') - RTECS ('CY1400000 ') - Formula ('C&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt;H&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; ')

12:40 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: MolarMass ('78.1121 g/mol ') - Density ('0.8786 g/cm^3, liquid ') - MeltingPtC ('5.5') - BoilingPtC ('80.1')

12:40 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - unset: C - H - N - O - P - Cl - Br - I - B - EINECS - MeSHName - ChEBI - KEGG - MeltingPt - MeltingPtK - MeltingPtF - BoilingPt - BoilingPtK - BoilingPtF

12:40 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; great

12:40 &lt;walkerma&gt; It's working?

12:41 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i don't really understand the change..

12:41 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i mean, not that reported by bot

12:41 &lt;+dmacks&gt; Wonder if we can consolidate the clusters of mp fields and bp fields and use standard unit-conversion templates.

12:42 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; they choke on ranges

12:43 &lt;+dmacks&gt; Could be fixed to handle ranges?

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; hmm

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; can we just take the higher or lower range?

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; as in,

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; let's say water boils 99-101 C

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; (for example!)

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; we just take 101

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; hmm

12:43 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; no

12:44 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; we take 99

12:44 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; bearing in mind impurities raise the bp

12:44 &lt;+dmacks&gt; WP:OR?

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; It's working

12:44 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; hmm

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; What do you mean, Rifleman_82 .. understand the change?

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Oh, wait

12:44 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i don't understand the bot's output

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; :-)

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; Oh .. it is about the bot

12:44 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; what don't you understand?

12:45 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; oh, i just understood...

12:45 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i was scratching my head with "unset"

12:45 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; It now checks the current version with the one in the stored revid

12:45 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; unset is that the field is empty in the revid

12:45 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; until i figured out that these parameters are not entered

12:45 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; yeah okay

12:46 &lt;walkerma&gt; Should we try "vandalizing" one parameter, and then see what happens?

12:46 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; okay

12:46 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i'll do it

12:47 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; why's it protected?

12:48 &lt;walkerma&gt; Because of people like you, obviously! Hey, we don't need a bot!

12:48 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; user:Rifleman 82 has edited Chembox_new containing page Benzene - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benzene&diff=231482890&oldid=229009586 (-19) - Summary: ' testing chemobot's response'

12:48 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene change: SMILES ('c1ccccc1&lt;br /&gt; C1=CC=CC=C1 ' -&gt; 'c1ccccc1'; UNSET (2))

12:48 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; unset?

12:48 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; how does teh bot interpret &lt;br /&gt; ?

12:49 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; curious .. UNSET .. that is wrong

12:49 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; CheMoBot check Benzene

12:49 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Checking: Benzene -&gt; contains a Chembox_new, sourcing Revid; manager(s): User:Beetstra; IRC-manager(s): User:Wikimedia/Beetstra; channel: #wikichem.

12:49 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - incorrect: SMILES ('c1ccccc1' - 'c1ccccc1&lt;br /&gt; C1=CC=CC=C1 ')

12:49 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: IUPACName ('Benzene') - CASNo ('71-43-2 ') - PubChem ('241') - InChI ('1/C6H6/c1-2-4-6-5-3-1/h1-6H') - RTECS ('CY1400000 ') - Formula ('C&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt;H&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; ') - MolarMass ('78.1121 g/mol ')

12:49 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - correct: Density ('0.8786 g/cm^3, liquid ') - MeltingPtC ('5.5') - BoilingPtC ('80.1')

12:49 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Benzene - unset: C - H - N - O - P - Cl - Br - I - B - EINECS - MeSHName - ChEBI - KEGG - MeltingPt - MeltingPtK - MeltingPtF - BoilingPt - BoilingPtK - BoilingPtF

12:50 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; that is right ..

12:50 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; But the unset is wrong

12:50 &lt;walkerma&gt; Great, it's picking it up!

12:50 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; but "Benzene change: SMILES ('c1ccccc1&lt;br /&gt; C1=CC=CC=C1 ' -&gt; 'c1ccccc1'; UNSET (2))" is wrong

12:51 &lt;walkerma&gt; I need to go in a minute, but thanks for the demo, Dirk! Can you post something on WT:Chem to tell us what we need to do next? Do we need to set up a system that records what we're checking, and when the index page is updated?

12:52 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; hey martin

12:52 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; before you go

12:52 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; did you get my email the last time?

12:52 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; just wondering, because you usually do reply

12:52 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; No, you can just update the index

12:53 &lt;walkerma&gt; I got the one listing the book, thanks, yes

12:53 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; ok that's great

12:53 &lt;walkerma&gt; I have that book somewhere

12:53 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; you want the GC-MS of the bornyl acetates?

12:53 &lt;walkerma&gt; Sure!

12:53 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; ok

12:53 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i need to cut out the names of the students, i hope you understand :P

12:54 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i'll send you another day

12:54 &lt;walkerma&gt; Beetstra: So I guess we just need to have a system of validation that tracks what we've done and what's left to do, then. I'll let ChemSpiderMan know

12:54 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; See the logs, I think

12:55 &lt;walkerma&gt; Thanks a lot for the demo, and I'd better run. Thanks also, Rifleman

12:55 &lt;+Beetstra&gt; See ya!

12:55 &lt;walkerma&gt; dmacks: I think quadell might appreciate a knowledgable third opinion over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/CheMoBot

12:55 &lt;walkerma&gt; If you have time

12:55 &lt;walkerma&gt; Bye!

12:56 &lt;+dmacks&gt; will do

12:56 &lt;+dmacks&gt; (classes just ended!)

12:56 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; heh

12:56 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; you're in class now, dmacks?

12:56 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; cya martin

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12:56 &lt;+CheMoBot&gt; Tocilizumab change: target ('IL-6 receptor' -&gt; 'IL-6 receptor'; UNSET (1))

12:56 &lt;+dmacks&gt; Submitted my grades yesterday

12:56 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; ah okay

13:01 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; alright

13:01 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; i'll go to sleep now

13:01 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; :)

13:01 &lt;+Rifleman_82&gt; good night!

13:01 &lt;+dmacks&gt; g'night!

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