Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Monsters


 * The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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Description
This project will work to improve articles related to and focusing on monsters... Monsters in film, literature, and mythology. Not this doesn't mean every single monsters such as those in children's books and films, but the more horror oriented ones (if we are talking about just film and literature).Paleface Jack (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

List of important pages and categories for this proposed group

Categories

 * fictional monsters (Number of pages in category: 21 and 11 sub-categories; There are still a lot of articles that need to be added to this category)
 * monsters (Number of pages in the category: 164 and 8 sub-categories; Although I am still finding more that fit into this category)
 * mythological monsters (Number of pages in the category: 53 and 4 sub-categories; There are still a lot of articles that need to be transferred from the Monsters category to this one)
 * monsters in fiction (Number of pages in category: 60 and 15 sub-categories; There are still articles out there that need to have this category added to them)
 * monster movies (Number of pages in the category: 546 and 34 sub-categories; Although I am still finding more that fit into this category)
 * yōkai (Number of pages in the category: 111)


 * List of WikiProjects currently on the talk pages of those articles
 * Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.


 * Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
 * Monsters are both widespread and, simply put, belong to more than one WikiProject and encompass a wide rage of categories. Not all monsters are necessarily horror, Disney's Monsters Inc. is a great example of this. My goal is to not only include horror, but also animation, mythology, literature, and other aspects that are not in any specific project besides their basic WikiProject.
 * Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
 * Monsters are both widespread and, simply put, belong to more than one WikiProject and encompass a wide rage of categories. Not all monsters are necessarily horror, Disney's Monsters Inc. is a great example of this. My goal is to not only include horror, but also animation, mythology, literature, and other aspects that are not in any specific project besides their basic WikiProject.
 * Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
 * Monsters are both widespread and, simply put, belong to more than one WikiProject and encompass a wide rage of categories. Not all monsters are necessarily horror, Disney's Monsters Inc. is a great example of this. My goal is to not only include horror, but also animation, mythology, literature, and other aspects that are not in any specific project besides their basic WikiProject.
 * Monsters are both widespread and, simply put, belong to more than one WikiProject and encompass a wide rage of categories. Not all monsters are necessarily horror, Disney's Monsters Inc. is a great example of this. My goal is to not only include horror, but also animation, mythology, literature, and other aspects that are not in any specific project besides their basic WikiProject.

Support
Also, specify whether or not you would join the project. Thanks. I was thinking that if this project didn't go through that it could be a part of multiple WikiProjects. I just want to know why you are opposed to including monsters from different religions? There's no reason why we shouldn't include them since they are monsters. I would like to hear your take on that.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Paleface Jack (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , as long as we have a clear scope. However, I like what I see so far. I'd also be interested in especially promoting the creation and improvement of monsters from underrepresented parts of the world, per WikiProject Countering systemic bias., if it makes you anymore comfortable, if this project falls apart then it can be easily incorporated into WP:WikiProject Mythology, WikiProject Horror, WikiProject Literature, WikiProject Fictional characters, etc. I am however opposed to including creatures from major active world religions. But thank you for striving to build the encyclopedia and contribute to the WikiProject system.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 23:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Conditional support - As long as there is a well defined scope as to what does and doesn't fit the project, and it doesn't just retread WP:HORROR.  Dark Knight  2149  20:35, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Oppose: Unclear inclusion criteria, commingling things that are not related into an artificial categorization. This is a fandom sphere that crosses all kinds of lines, and would be inclusive of mythological creatures, critters in horror films, sci-fi aliens, religio-spiritual bad guys, serial killers, high fantasy creatures, and much else.  We already have wikiprojects that cover various genres and categories, so there's no gap for this proposed project to fill. If it were sharply limited to something, e.g. horror fiction non-human monsters, maybe there's room for some kind of workgroup/task force of WP:WikiProject Horror. But the articles identified above often don't have anything to do with this, and are not what is usually meant by "monster"; too many are figures of myth/religion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  22:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for the opinion. I was kind of thinking that this could be a part of multiple task forces considering the intention of this would be more geared towards non-humans. I 'm currently busy at the moment but I will get back to you and post a more detailed response later.--Paleface Jack (talk) 22:53, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what cross-project collaborations are for, and we have evolved a quasi-formalized system for setting up and "advertising" them, over at Today's articles for improvement. They're not stand-alone projects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: This is already covered by wikiproject horror.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 01:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Monsters are not exclusive to horror. There are mythological monsters, religious monsters, monsters from other genres (Monsters Inc., for instance), urban legends, ETC. This WikiProject also may or may not cover real life monsters, such as deep sea monsters and the like. Although they are perhaps most associated with the horror genre in fiction, it hardly holds the monopoly on monsters.  Dark Knight  2149  23:15, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * But this lack of topical cohesion is why this isn't a viable wikiproject, as I detailed above. Mythographers, ocean paleontologists, horror fans, theologians, and researchers of urban myth have nothing particular in common. "Monster" is an artificial pseudo-category, a word with multiple meanings that don't closely relate.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or at the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.