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Q201
Len Hutton and The Oval; Andy Flower and the Harare Sports Club; Sanath Jayasuriya and the Sinhalese Sports Club Ground; Brian Lara and the Antigua Recreation Ground; Don Bradman and the MCG - what is the common factor that connects these five batsmen with the respective grounds, and which sixth pair heads the list? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * wild speculation... is this about continents? My geography is hazy, but I think those grounds are on 5 different continents. Dweller 12:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The sixth cricketer must be Graham Gooch, and the ground has to be Lord's. These six cricketers have been the only six to score 1500 runs or more at a single venue.  -- Deville (Talk) 13:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * More info: the links are,     .  Hutton had 1521, Flower 1535, Lara 1650, Bradman 1671, Jayasuriya 1538, and Gooch 2015. -- Deville (Talk) 13:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Or, more concisely, ! Yes: well done.  At least my question lasted a couple of hours!


 * Gooch is the only one to break 2,000 Test runs at a single ground, in 39 innings in 21 matches at an average of 53.02. Bradman comes closest, 1,671 runs in 17 innings in 11 matches at an average of 128.53; Lara is only 21 runs behind Bradman, in 3 more matches and 5 more innings (it includes the 400*, of course, but his two most recent innings - 18 and 0 last week - are have not helped much).  -- ALoan (Talk) 14:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Q202
Which Test cricketer has the record for the most defeats for his side? -- Deville (Talk) 17:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Alec Stewart was on the losing side in 54 Tests, and Brian Lara in 51 on 31 January 2005. Lara is now up to 60 losses. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and at least that lasted for more than 3 hours for once. I was going to give the hint that I hated asking this question, but I figured that would make it too easy...:P  Anyway, over to you. --Deville (Talk) 04:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Q203
Oh dear - I was trying to reduce my Wiki-time a bit :)

Um - perhaps an easy one. In what sense is Tom Richardson the most accurate, and Colin Miller the least accurate, of all bowlers who have taken at least 50 Test wickets? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Highest and lowest % of bowled dismissals ? Tintin (talk) 10:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. 3 minutes, eh? Well, I said it was easy :) Richardson has 54/88 bowled (over 62% - well in front of the next bowler, Ernie Jones with 36/64, only 56%) and Miller has only 4/69 (less than 6%).   -- ALoan (Talk) 11:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Q204
What word did the British media coin c.1977 as a collective name for Asif Iqbal, Majid Khan, Imran Khan, Zaheer Abbas and Mushtaq Mohammad ? Tintin (talk) 11:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * They were the 5 Pakistani cricketers involved with Kerry Packer's World Series Cricket, so they were inevitable the Packerstanis.


 * You may like this one . We don't have Packerstan yet. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * :) Your turn. Tintin (talk) 13:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Q205
Ok - which famous cricket team, based in Maidstone, will not play a single "home" match in 2006 - and has not played at "home" since August 2004? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Kent County Cricket Club, in the sense that they've not been played at The Mote in Maidstone? -- Deville (Talk) 15:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Must be Lashings. Stephen Turner (Talk) 15:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Lashings, which is still a redlink, I believe. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The link at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/to do is to Lashings World XI, by the way. Stephen Turner (Talk) 17:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That was useful to know... I've amended Clare Connor's article! :-) Dweller 17:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that is a redlink too! And a redirect from Lashings seem like a good idea. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * All done now. Contributions to Lashings World XI welcomed. It doesn't deserve to stay a stub. Dweller 20:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Q206
Something a bit different. Who wrote the following?
 * I have always imagined cricket as a game invented by roughnecks in a moment of idleness by casually throwing an unexploded bomb at one another. The game was observed by some officer with a twisted and ingenious mind who devoted his life to inventing impossible rules for it.

Stephen Turner (Talk) 20:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sir Peter Ustinov -- Deville (Talk) 21:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * And I was worried that one would be too hard. Your turn. Stephen Turner (Talk) 21:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Google -> -- ALoan (Talk) 22:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you remember what search you did? I Googled several phrases from the quotation and it didn't come up. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I picked keywords rather than a phrase - something like cricket roughnecks idleness bomb -- ALoan (Talk) 10:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Question please, ALoan? Dweller 11:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Deville? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Q207
Woops, sorry, didn't check for a while. Ok, here goes.

What exclusive club are Shane Warne, Murali, Anil Kumble, and Garth McKenzie the only members of? -- Deville (Talk) 18:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, well I'm guessing it's to do with number of Test Wickets on Indian soil, and I would go with they all have 30 or more wickets on Indian soil. --Wisd e n17 18:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's not what I'm looking for. Also, I've not checked, but there must be tons of players with 30 wickets in India.  This club only has four members...:)  -- Deville (Talk) 23:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright no need to rub my face in it:)I've only ever heard McKenzie's name in relation to his relative success in India, hence my initial guess. He clearly is the key man in this question. I'll have to rack my brains a bit more. --Wisd e n17 23:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Good question... how about a clue? --Dweller 23:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, their best personal first-class bowling performances came in a Test match... but that's also true of Jim Laker, though he didn't take 200 Test wickets... er, um, clue, please. Johnlp 08:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Many apologies, I've been world-cupping it so strongly I've not been thinking about cricket at all... :) Anyway, let me give a clue then.


 * As Wisden17 surmised correctly, McKenzie is the key. McKenzie holds a Test bowling record (albeit not a very heralded one).  There are a total of six records of this "type", each of which is analogous to the one McKenzie holds.  There could be six bowlers in this club, but Shane Warne holds three of these records.  Hopefully this helps.  -- Deville (Talk) 02:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It did help! Warne has the record for most test wickets 'caught', 'LBW' & 'stumped', Murali has the most 'bowled', Kumble has the most 'caught & bowled' and McKenzie the most 'hit wicket' (an amazing 4 wickets to my surprise) Dingbatdan 08:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That is correct sir! I guess the hint did help...:)  Your turn. --Deville (Talk) 10:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Must just say, jolly good question. It seems that on this quiz people either get the answer within half an hour or it takes a couple of days. --Wisd e n17 10:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Q208
This could be too easy...Who was the bowler when fried calamari stopped play? Dingbatdan 11:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alf Gover running past the batsman and into the pavillion? Bedders 11:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger Telemachus? --Roisterer 13:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, you beat my to it. Cullinan hit him for 6 into a frying pan! --Wisd e n17 13:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct - That's what I get for thinking up a question in 2 minutes... Dingbatdan 14:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Q209
Frank Woolley's dismissal in the first innings of the 1932 England v India test match at Lord's is the only instance of what in the history of test cricket? --Roisterer 13:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The 45 year old Woolley was runout by a brilliant throw to the wicketkeeper by Lall Singh. The only man to be runout by a Malaysian, perhaps ? Tintin (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Only person to be dismissed by an ineligible Test cricketer? --Dweller 13:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The suspense is killing me. Oooooooo cmon Roisterer! --Dweller 21:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Woolley was particularly old for a Test cricketer at this point, and this the only time a player older than 45 has been run out. Is that what you're looking for? --Deville (Talk) 22:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC) Woops, Ironmonger was run out at the age of 50 and I missed that. So never mind! --Deville (Talk) 22:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Lall Singh was Malaysian long-jump champion (see this article) making this the only time in history you could hear a Woolley jumper singh? --Dweller 22:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * These answers all sound much better than mine. Tintin and Deville are on the right track with Woolley's age (and his longevity) being part of the key to the answer.  --Roisterer 10:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * England's oldest player run out by India's oldest? --Jack 15:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Lall Singh was actually one of India's youngest players in this match, which is also some sort of clue. --Roisterer 12:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Only instance of 20/25 years gap in age between dismissed and dismisser? --Dweller 12:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Wilfred Rhodes (52 years) dismissed Derek Sealy (17) three times in the 1929-30 England v West Indies series. Tintin (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Since you mentioned the longevity, one notes that Percy Holmes was also over 45 years old that day, and in fact batted at the same time as Woolley in that innings . Surely this is the first time two men over 45 shared a partnership in a Test?   Although I admit this didn't quite fit your question, as the partnership ended when Holmes was bowled by Mohammad Nissar.  But hey.   --Deville (Talk) 18:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * At Oval, 1926, Herbert Strudwick and Wilfred Rhodes batted together for the last wicket - Strudwick was 46 years old and Rhodes 49. Don't know if this is the record. The 1929-30 MCC team to West Indies had two 50+ men in Rhodes and George Gunn but they never batted together. Tintin (talk) 05:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Woolley is the only Test player to have been dismissed by a player (less than) half his age. --Jack 19:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think so: Wayne Daniel (age 20) got Brian Close (age 45) out twice in 1976. Johnlp 20:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hm, trying to incorporate all of the hints. How about:  this is the only time that cricketer A was run out by cricketer B, when cricketer A was so much older than cricketer B that cricketer A played his first Test before cricketer B was born? That may not be what you're looking for, but that's got to be the only time that's ever happened, no?  --Deville (Talk) 04:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Deville, you are indeed correct. The run out of Woolley by Lall Singh remains the only instance in test cricket history when the batsman had made his test debut before the man running him out was born (at least I hope so; I should check out the Brin Close/Wayne Daniel angle).  Over to you, good Sir.  --Roisterer 04:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Found one other instance. Leeds, 1930 : Wisden report says that "With 24 scored, Hobbs was brilliantly thrown out by Bradman from deep-mid-off". Hobbs made his debut on January 1, 1908; Bradman was born on August 27 the same year. (George Gunn was runout twice in the 1929-30 series and three of his opponents - Derek Sealy, George Headley and wicketkeepet Ivan Barrow - satisfy the condition, but Wisden is silent on the exact mode of dismissal) Tintin (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this info. I actually had an exchange of emails with Stephen Lynch from CricInfo a while back where he believed the Woolley/Lall Singh situation the only case.  Apologies to anyone for any inconvenience.  --Roisterer 14:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ouch, I think I just put a header past the keeper but into a goalpost....:) So what do we do here? -- Deville (Talk) 17:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you'll have to ask the next question anyway :) Tintin (talk) 17:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * alrighty then. -- Deville (Talk) 18:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Q210
In honor of the World Cup, how about a question which combines cricket and football? I was an athlete who played Test and first-class cricket, and was quite successful, once winning Wisden Cricketer of the Year. I also played football, captaining a side to win my country's league championship the FA Cup and representing my country internationally in football as well. Who am I? -- Deville (Talk) 18:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Viv Richards Tintin (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, that's not who I'm thinking of. I'm pretty sure that Viv never played football domestically for an Antiguan league, although, you're right, he did represent Antigua in international play.  (I hope I'm right about this, otherwise we're in the same situation as last time!...;P)  -- Deville (Talk) 19:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

C.B. Fry? Not sure he won the league championship with Southampton though. --Dweller 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Not who I'm thinking of either, but close. As an update:  I misspoke I asked the question.  Although I knew what I meant when I said it up there, I didn't really mean what I said.  In any case, check the reformed question, which narrows things down a bit more.  -- Deville (Talk) 23:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Denis Compton? I know he won the FA cup in 1950, but I'm not sure if he was captain...? Dingbatdan


 * Well, I wasn't thinking of him. I actually checked and am having a hard time verifying Compton one way or the other.  I found a very dubious link which seems to claim that David Lloyd Bowen was Arsenal's captain in 1950, so this suggests no for Compton.  But I'm not entirely sure I trust the link.  But, hey, the guy I'm thinking of, we know for sure he was the captain of his side when they won the FA Cup. -- Deville (Talk) 01:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It was Andy Ducat - Captain of Aston Villa's 1920 FA Cup-Winning Team. Dingbatdan 03:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct! Your turn.   --Deville (Talk) 04:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Q211
Keeping on the theme of Soccer (a.k.a Football if you're not aussie :) ), which Test cricketer played international soccer for both New Zealand & Australia? Dingbatdan 11:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Don McRae did it for NZ, but alas, not Australia AFAIK. -- I@n &equiv; talk 13:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * After more time than i care to admit imputting a range of key words into search engines, I came up with Kenneth Hough. --Roisterer 14:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct! At least I made you 'think'... Dingbatdan 08:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Q212
After the problems relating to my last question, I'll ask an easy one. After whom was the trophy for the old East African cricket championship named (in case there was more than one, I'm referring to the trophy that flourished from the mid 60s to the early 80s). --Roisterer 13:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sir Robert Menzies, I believe. -- Deville (Talk) 14:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I'm not sure if he ponied up the funds for the cup himself or it was just named in his honour.  --Roisterer 14:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't find out the answer to this anywhere on the web either. --Deville (Talk) 23:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Q213
There have been many cricketers to play Test cricket for two different countries. There is at least one who did this, yet was not born in either country. Who is it? --Deville (Talk) 23:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * John Traicos? QazPlm 00:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct! Thought that one would last longer.  Anyway, you're up.  -- Deville (Talk) 11:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Q214
My first question! What do the following cricketers have in common: Graham Dowling, Syd Gregory, Jack Hobbs, Dave Houghton, Imtiaz Ahmed, Brendon Kuruppu, Dudley Nourse, Clifford Roach and Polly Umrigar? Since I've given you all such a long list, I'll add a clue - hasn't happened to a Bangladeshi cricketer yet. QazPlm 12:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that they've each been the batsmen to score the first double century, for their country, in their country (meaning at a home ground). As no Bangladeshi has yet put up a double ton, we'll be waiting for this list to grow to ten someday.  -- Deville (Talk) 12:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That sounds right - I thought it was the double centuries, but couldn't see what the extra qualification was. Anyway, it gave me a chance to update correct the claim that Graham Dowling remains the only player to make a double century on debut as a Test captain... -- ALoan (Talk) 13:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, didn't Shivnarine put up a deuce as captain a while back? -- Deville (Talk) 13:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC) --- woops, sorry, by update you mean "recognize as incorrect". I thought you were saying the opposite of what you did, but that's totally my fault. -- Deville (Talk) 13:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I had added the 'only captain' bit three months after Chanderpaul became the second :-( Tintin (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I wonder whether we should start a minor project to proof-read every line in the exisiting articles of a decent length. An error that I was slow to fix in Budhi Kunderan got quoted in the Hindu obituary (According to CMJ's book, he made 2637 Ranji runs, I made a typo and wrote it as 2367; while CA and Indian Cricket provide two other figures). This was something that I always feared would happen. I just fixed a straightforward error in Gubby Allen that was there since July 2004. Now that we have a fairly large collection of articles, we cannot afford to make such mistakes. Tintin (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that was what I was after Deville! Maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the clue... :) Your turn! QazPlm 00:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Gregory, 201, SCG 1894/95
 * Hobbs, 211, Lord's, 1924
 * Roach, 209, Georgetown, 1929/30
 * Nourse, 231, Jo'burg, 1935/36
 * Imtiaz Ahmed, 209, Lahore, 1955/56
 * Umrigar, 223, Hyderabad, 1955/56
 * Dowling, 239, Christchurch, 1967/68
 * Kuruppu, 201 n.o., Colombo, 1986/87
 * Houghton, 266, Bulawayo, 1994/95

Ok, thanks! -- Deville (Talk) 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Q215
Thinking about team efforts here: how many times (in Tests) have three batsmen on the same side scored 150 or more runs? Has this side always won the Test?-- Deville (Talk) 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've found 2 instances (surely there are more?) of 3 150's in an innings: England 7/903 dec. Vs Aus in 1938 & India's 7/676 dec. Vs Pakistan in 1986/87. England won their test emphatically, but the India game was a draw. Dingbatdan 10:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, he said Tests - how about two 150s in one innings and one in the other? But I think I am right in saying that there are no instances of four centuries in the same Test innings. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yet again, I am brought down by the imprecise questioning. What I meant was 3 150s in the same innings, and (although he seems incredulous about it) Dingbatdan got the correct answer, at least according to this.  Sorry about the confusion, it is my fault.  Dingbatdan, it is your turn to ask the question.  -- Deville (Talk) 13:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What a great blog. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Curses, this morning I almost posted "2, No" as an answer, just as a guess. Why didn't I? :) KingStrato 16:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Last few days, this quiz has become slower and slower and now seems to have ground to a halt. :-( --Dweller 10:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if Dingbatdan doesn't get his skates on, we could invoke Rule 3 - Deville? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Go on then. --Dweller 08:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither of them has edited in the last few days (see their contributions)... I've just added a note on their talk pages, but what are the rules if neither the person who gave the right answer, nor the person who set the question, is around? Back to the person who set the previous question (QazPlm in this case)?  Or can anyone else have a go? -- ALoan (Talk) 09:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz --Dweller 19:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like it is just you and me, so feel free to ask away :) -- ALoan (Talk) 19:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. How are you? --Dweller 19:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't think of a new question! I'll pass it over to you ALoan, if the others don't respond soon. :) QazPlm 00:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys, we should be moving on now, right? --Blowtorch 15:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Look again at Rule 3 for a way forward. ;-) Johnlp 16:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw, but hoped someone else would take up the baton... -- ALoan (Talk) 16:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Q216
Well, in the absence of anyone else asking a question, let me get the ball rolling again:

In 1895, WG Grace scored 1000 runs in May. How may times has that feat been emulated, by who and when? -- ALoan (Talk) 16:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Walter Hammond in 1927 and Charlie Hallows in 1928. Various others scored 1,000 by the end of May, but I think only these two plus Grace have actually done it within the month of May. Johnlp 18:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, indeed - there, that wasn't so difficult, was it :) Nice discussions on the net    "Before the end of May"  includes those three, plus Tom Hayward (1900), Bill Edrich (1938), Donald Bradman (twice: 1930, 1938), Glenn Turner (1973), and Graeme Hick (1988).  Both of Bradman's missed the first list by only one day, with the extra runs needed to top 1000 being scored on 30 April. Edrich got all 1010 runs before the end of May at Lord's. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Q217
Which "portly" cricketer was summoned from Daisy Hill to open the bowling in a Test match? Johnlp 21:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Bill Farrimond was actually from Daisy Hill, but he was a wicketkeeper not a bowler, and never bowled in his 4 Tests. Mike Watkinson was from nearby Westhoughton and an all-rounder, but did not open the bowling in any of his 4 Tests either.  I thought it must be Dick Tyldesley when I saw that he was also from Westhoughton and is described by Cricinfo as "a slow bowler of the heaviest build in county cricket", but again, he never opened the bowling in his 7 Tests: the best he got was first change. So the only one who fits (unless it is not someone actually from the locality, but, say, someone who played for Daisy Hill cricket club in the Bolton league) is Dick Pollard, who was also from Westhoughton; he opened the bowling (after Alec Bedser) in his second Test, in New Zealand, in 1946/7, and his third and fourth Tests (again after Bedser), the 3rd and 4th against Australia in 1948. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, this is impressive. But not the answer I was looking for. The word "portly" was used by Wisden, no less, to describe this player, and he went directly into a Test team from Daisy Hill, not via a county or any other team (though he did play for other teams both before and after). Hint: he didn't come originally from the area. Johnlp 09:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ehteshamuddin called up by Pakistan in 1982 Bedders 11:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

That's the one. Well done and over to you. Johnlp 12:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The pressure to produce here is harder than anything I've ever faced on a cricket pitch :) Bedders 13:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It may worth pointing out that most of these players articles are very sorry stubs or sub-stubs. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

And User:CricketBot/substubs gives the list of those that we know about that are still to do and those already tackled. It's all a bit daunting... but we're slowly getting there. Johnlp 14:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Q218
Who was the last Ashes winning England test captain to win another test match as captain after the Ashes victory? And who has failed to do it in the meantime? Bedders 13:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Starting with the most recent Ashes victory:
 * Michael Vaughan led England to an Ashes victory in 2005, and has not won a match after that series.
 * Mike Gatting led England to an Ashes victory in 1986/7 (and retained them in 1987/8) but did not win a match as captain after that series.
 * David Gower led England to an Ashes victory in 1985 but did not win a match as captain after that series.
 * Mike Brearley led England to the famous Ashes victory in 1981 but did not captain England after that series; however, he also led England to an Ashes victory in 1978/9 (losing them again in 1979/80), and then beat India in 1979/80 before winnning the 1981 Ashes. So him. (Although List of Ashes series and English national cricket captains seem to disagree about whether the lost 1979/80 (post-WSC) series counts.) -- ALoan (Talk) 14:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Correct, my stock of interesting cricket questions exhuasted on my first attempt, over to you. - Bedders 14:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Q219
OK - six contemporanous players for the same county side with the same surname, some first-class teams for county matches being fielded with four of them at the same time. Four were brothers, as were the other two, but neither set was related. Who were they? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Grace?
 * Or Smith? --Dweller 15:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Name six Graces or Smiths who satisfy the description and I will give it to you. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh you're no fun any more ;-) --Dweller 15:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

In a similar vein to the last answer, as I am leaving work soon as:
 * Hearne?
 * Or Edrich? -- Bedders 15:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Henry, Alfred, EM and WG Grace and erm, Grace Kelly and Grace Jones? --Dweller 16:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * And the Grace Brothers? No.


 * Again, name me six Hearnes or Edriches who satisfy the condition and you can have the point. I can't see four cricketing brothers at Hearne family.  And List of Test or One-day International cricket families is not going to help :)  -- ALoan (Talk) 17:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Vast droves of Fosters played for Worcestershire between 1899 and 1934, and probably four of them would have appeared in the same match. But I think they were all brothers, so they don't qualify for your criterion of two separate families. However, I think Dick Tyldesley had three brothers, and I know he was no relation to Johnny and Ernest Tyldesley – and there is a Westhoughton connection with Q217 – so I'd go for them. Johnlp 17:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, well done - it is the four Tyldesleys (Harry, James, Dick and William) and the other two Tyldesleys (Ernest and Johnny). Dick's page at Cricinfo explains the connections or lack thereof - it was clearly a problem in the early 1900s! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Q220
Okay, so who is this? He made his first-class debut before he was 16 years old. He made his first century before he was 16-and-a-half. He had a Test career, but it was over when he was 26. And in his early 30s, a very long way from his home, he captained a first-class side to their first-ever triumph in one of the major domestic cricket competitions. Who? Johnlp 19:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Graeme Pollock? KingStrato 21:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

'Fraid not. He qualifies on the Test career bit, but just misses on the others. Johnlp 21:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Could it be Clive Rice? --Dweller 22:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No, not him either. He qualifies on the captaincy a long way from home bit, but not the others. The Clive Rice article looks like it could do with a bit of attention, too, including an ODI infobox. Johnlp 22:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hint? Johnlp 15:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. --Dweller 15:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking of a man born in British Guiana on 14 April 1931, who made his first class debut on 15 March 1947, aged 15, scored his maiden first class century in October 1947, played test cricket for the West indies and then found himself captaining Northern Districts to their first Plunkett Shield win in 1962/63. I'm thinking of Bruce Pairaudeau. --Roisterer 16:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good answer; another sub-stub, though - the answer has more facts in it than his article. :( -- ALoan (Talk) 16:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Not just a good answer: a correct answer. Well done. Over to you. Johnlp 17:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to take this opportunity to thank my employer for, however unwittingly, allowing me to spend a good couple of hours of work time wondering who this could be. Great question.  --Roisterer 17:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)