Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Wines task force/Newsletter/05-06-2007

{| style="border-bottom: 1px purple solid;border-left: 1px purple solid;border-right: 1px purple solid; padding: 1em; width: 100%; " Welcome to the latest edition of the Wine Project Newsletter! It's FlagSteward here, your stand-in editor for this week as Agne is (theoretically!) on holiday at the moment. That's the reason why it's been a three-week gap since the last Newsletter; I think Agne intends to do the next one in three weeks time.

Feedback is always welcome. Please consider dropping a comment on the Newsletter talk page, to let us know how we improve future editions.

News and notes
Since our last newsletter 3 new editors have joined the Wine Project. Be sure to extend a warm welcome to EQuanstrom, GenevieveN and BodegasAmbite. For our new members, feel free to dive right in and don't hesitate to share your thoughts on various wine related project on the Wine Project talk page There's been considerable discussion about keeping the WikiProject Wine/Participants list current. At present anyone who hasn't edited a wine article for 3 months or any Wikipedia article for 2 months will get moved over to the list of inactive members. The only reason for this is to keep the main list as useful as possible as a list of current members, it's not intended as any criticism of those who haven't been around for a while for whatever reason. Given the recent progress on stub-killing (more below), there has been active discussion on whether WID's should concentrate more on getting articles up to GA standard or on killing stubs. There's room for both of course, but we want to hear the views of as many project members as possible, so please chip in to the discussion. Maps are crucial to understanding any geographical region, especially when trends in climate, geology and aspect can have such an effect on the wine produced. With so many wine region articles in the project, the Project badly needs maps with Wikipedia acceptable licenses, at all scales from countries to individual appellations. mikaul has proposed his Image:Barnstar_wine.png for adoption as the Projects official 'medal'. Agne discovered that the Wine for Newbies podcast has produced a guide to wine that quotes extensively from Wikipedia. More recently the Languedoc wine article featured in one of their podcasts. It's a good reminder of the importance of the work here, and how vital it is to make sure that the articles we write are reliable and verifiable. The article assessment log created by the tireless WP 1.0 bot had got to over 300kb in size. Since this log is included in the WP:WINE Project, the homepage was approaching 400kb which was obviously not very fair on those using dial-up! Much of that has now been manually archived, so the Project page should load much more quickly now. Whilst we've been making great progress on the stubs, there have been no new GA articles since the last newsletter - both Chaptalization and Wine Country (California) didn't quite make it. So lets see if we can get some more GA's by the next Newsletter!?
 * Welcome to our New Project Members
 * Participants List
 * Targets for Wine Improvement Drives
 * Maps wanted
 * Wine Barnstar
 * Fame at last
 * Faster portal page
 * No new Good Articles for the wine project.

Wine Sub Projects
Big news here - we're now down to 8 Top:Starts, all 57 High importance stubs of a month ago have been eliminated and stubs now represent a minority of the Mid articles. This was mostly due to someone called FlagSteward falling ill twice in one month, but mikaul, Christopher Tanner, CCC and others all chipped in along the way. Unfortunately FlagSteward's next project will be to create several new stubs to fill in our coverage of some of the major wine regions, but this still represents a major achievement for the Project.
 * Operation Stub Killer'

The current numbers: we now have 1161 articles under the Wine Project banner with 706 Stubs and 347 Starts. Thus stubs account for 61% of all articles (down from 67%).

Since a lot of those stubs are not very important, I prefer to count up the number of Top:B, High:Start and Mid:Stub articles, and divide that number into the total number of Top, High and Mid articles to see how we are progressing with the 'third diagonal' of the assessment table. The third diagonal ratio is currently 56% - we need to upgrade 36 articles (whether Top:B, High:Start or Mid:Stub) to get down to 50%.

Wiki-Wino : FlagSteward
What got you first interested in wine?
 * My dad was very traditionally British when it came to wine - decent claret and Burgundy, and a real passion for good Germanic wines. And he was keen to share that with his children - some of the first alcohol I ever drank was some 1955 port and 1976 Beerenauslese. Not surprisingly I thought this was quite good news..... We had a pretty active wine society at university, so that's where I really started to go beyond "Mmm- that's nice".

What brought you to Wikipedia?
 * The usual - find it on Google, then editing minor mistakes, then there's a horrible spiral which sees you end up doing Project newsletters....

What type of wine articles do you enjoy editing?
 * I'm an analyser and organiser, so I like bringing together disparate information into big style/country articles. And rewriting articles that have lots of facts in an unintelligble order. But I get bored easily so am not that interested in honing articles to the last degree, I'd rather move on to the next stub.

What non-wine related activities do you also enjoy on Wikipedia?
 * Don't know about 'enjoy' - I just use it as a resource. I do find myself losing an hour at a time wandering through history articles, it would be great to make the wine articles equally full of internal links.  The French have a great word, "butiner" - it's what bees do as they flit from flower to flower, so I guess 'bumble' would be the nearest equivalent but doesn't sound so good.  It's a perfect description of me and the history articles.

'''What is your favorite wine? Least favorite wine?'''
 * Best ever - well there's probably about ten bottles I've had which I know were just too good for me :-) You just shut up and appreciate the moment. They've included 1970 Mouton-Rothschild, a 20 year old Vouvray and some old ports and Madeiras.
 * Favourite - I love the fleshy smells of old fashioned Cote de Nuits Burgundy, Cote Rotie, anything like that. Margaux are my clarets of choice, I like my ports and dessert wines, I've a soft spot for Alsace.  So one of those then! I guess in general I go for fragrance and finesse rather than fruit bombs.
 * Least favorite - Anything overoaked, overextracted and over here. Grapewise, I'm still waiting to find a Carignan that I like.

What is your best experience involving wine?
 * So many to choose from, but dinner with my girlfriend on the terrace of a restaurant in Chinon has to be up there. Beautiful surroundings, beautiful night - and the 13 year-old Chinon wine was just stunning. I just had no idea that it aged that well. Oh and she was looking pretty good too. :-)

What is the most under appreciated wine, in your opinion?
 * Maybe sherry - particularly manzanilla, it goes well with nibbles and is a good substitute for big New World whites. German and Austrian wine. Or in general the wines of the South of France - there's a load of rubbish out there, but some real gems as well.

What efforts on a wine related article are you the most proud of to-date?
 * Dessert wine, straw wine and Austrian wine were rewritten from scratch and I learnt a lot reading around those subjects, although not much of that extra learning made it into the articles. New World wines was similar.

Know any good wine jokes/quotes?
 * I guess John Home's epigram on how the Acts of Union affected Scottish drinking habits is apposite, given the dramatic events in Scottish politics this week :


 * Firm and erect the Caledonian stood;
 * Sound was his mutton, and his claret good;
 * "Let him drink port!" the English statesman cried:
 * He drank the poison, and his spirit died.


 * The Auld Alliance meant the Scots were famous claret drinkers, whereas the English usually had to get their wine from elsewhere. I'm a proud inheritor of both traditions. :-)

'''Have you ever had a "Wine snobbish" moment? If so, tell us about it.'''
 * "Is this Taylors '77?" caused some amusement at a dinner party - hell, a wine had never given me violets like that (which Taylors is famous for among ports), and vintage port gives you a lot fewer years to guess from.....

What area of the wine project would you like more editors to focus on
 * More work on getting the core articles to GA would be good, now that people are starting to quote from us.

What are some wine related reliable sources (i.e. a wine book or web site) that you like using when editing wine articles?
 * The usual - Jancis Robinson books and website, Clive Coates, Hugh Johnson (particularly the Wine Atlas). Chris Kissack has a lot of good stuff on www.thewinedoctor.com, with some quite good pen portraits of some of the classic wine regions that I like looking at after I've done an article, to see if there's stuff I've missed. The database at http://www.genres.de/idb/vitis/ is a good respectable source of grape synonyms, although some of the spelling is a bit wonky and they lose the accents.

Wine Improvement Drive - Cabernet Franc
A number of the regulars are away at the moment, either on holiday or working for exams (good luck guys), so I thought I'd propose an 'easy' article to get to GA status. Following on from Bordeaux wine last time, we are going to share some Wiki love on one of my favourite grapes, Cabernet Franc, it's currently rated as a Start and it would be great to get it up to GA. Given the new policy of aiming WIDs at 'families' of articles, some other articles to work on would be : If that's not enough for you, there are plenty of stubs that could use some attention!
 * Chinon wine, Saumur wine, Bourgueil and other Loire appellations that use Cabernet Franc in their red wines - some of these need a lot of work
 * Petit verdot as another component of the Bordeaux blend.

Last WID - Bordeaux
We did pretty well with the last WID, Bordeaux wine, History of Bordeaux wine, Bordeaux wine regions and Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855 all making it to B status and all looking pretty close to GA. Perhaps someone could just have another look to see how they stack up to the Good Article Criteria and if they check out, propose them?
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