Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/Great Northern Highway


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Great Northern Highway
review
 * Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
 * Nominator's comments: Great Northern Highway is Australia's longest highway, with a length of almost 3,200 kilometres (2,000 mi), all in a single state – that's longer than the whole of I-95, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the longest road to be nominated at ACR.


 * Nominated by: Evad37 &#91;talk] 11:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * First comment occurred: 19:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Review by Dough4872
I will review the article.  Dough 48  72  19:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC) Comments:
 * 1) What is a "sealed" road? A wikilink or a brief description would help here.
 * Wikilinked - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) In the route description you use "Mid West" and "Midwest". You should be consistent in usage.
 * Fixed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) In the Perth and Wheatbelt sections of the route description, you should make it clear where National Highway 95 becomes concurrent with National Route 1 in Middle Swan and that National Highway 95 continues along the Great Northern Highway when National Route 1 splits off in Muchea.
 * Done - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The sentence "Great Northern Highway continues north-east for 26 kilometres (16 mi) through to Bindoon, passing to the west of Lake Chittering, curving east to cross the Brockman River, and the back north around the eastern side of Lake Needonga." is choppy and needs to be rewoeded.
 * Adjusted - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The sentence "5 kilometres (3 mi) further north, Bindoon–Moora Road branches off to the north-west, while the highway skirts east briefly then continues north, reaching New Norcia after 46 kilometres (29 mi)." should not begin with a numeral.
 * Fixed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The sentence "Great Northern Highway proceeds on its journey north, crossing the Yule River and its tributaries and then running parallel to the Turner River, until it reaches North West Coastal Highway, over a 220-kilometre (140 mi) distance" also needs to be reworded.
 * Adjusted - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The sentence " After 145 kilometres (90 mi), the highway reaches the turnoff for Derby, Derby Highway, in Wallare, having crossed the Fitzroy River on Willare Bridge." needs to be reworded. I would mention the bridge crossing before mentioning the Derby Highway to keep things in chronological order.
 * Adjusted - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) The phrase "all year round" can be changed to "year-round".
 * I think "Driving was difficult and hazardous all year round." actually sounds better than "Driving was difficult and hazardous year-round." - Evad37 &#91;talk] 10:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Whyndham? I assume this is a misspelling.
 * Fixed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Is "flood plane" the proper term? I thought it was always floodplain or flood plain.
 * Fixed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) "2004/05" should be changed to "2004-05" as a dash is used to delineate years.
 * The slash can be used to indicate fiscal year, per WP:DATERANGE - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) "In September 2013, construction began on a project to straighten and widen Great Northern Highway's curves around Bindi Bindi, due to be completed in January 2015", has this been completed yet?
 * That's the latest news I can find at the moment, so presumably its not yet completed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) In the major intersections table, why do the kilometerposts not have commas but the mileposts do? This sounds like an issue with the template that needs to be fixed.  Dough  48  72  03:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've raised this at Template talk:Jctint/core - Evad37 &#91;talk] 05:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Support - Concerns addressed.  Dough 48  72  17:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This will need a source review and 1 full review and an image review to pass ACR. --Rschen7754 04:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Image review by Rschen7754
I will handle the image review. --Rschen7754 01:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Captions: should have a period at the end iff the caption is a complete sentence.
 * File:Aerial view of Newman, Western Australia.jpg - CC-BY-SA 2.0
 * File:Fortescue in flood 1942 (retouched).jpg - PD in Australia and US
 * File:Onderweg - Fitzroy Crossing - Purnululu (8991950691).jpg - CC-BY-SA 2.0
 * File:Early 1992 - Gt Northern Hwy in Munjina Gorge, WA (8091933962).jpg - CC-BY-SA 2.0
 * File:Gone Driveabout 25, Great Northern Highway near Payne's Find, Western Australia, 25 Oct. 2010 - Flickr - PhillipC.jpg - CC-BY-SA 2.0
 * File:Perth Darwin National Highway, Swan Valley bypass (NorthLinkWA).png - OSM (ODbL and CC-BY-SA 2.0)
 * File:Great Northern Highway route map.png - CC-BY-SA 2.0, sources noted
 * File:Bullsbrook SMC 2008.jpg - CC-BY-SA 3.0
 * File:E37 GNH Bindoon.jpg - CC-BY-SA 1.0
 * File:Yalgoo Shire.jpg - CC-BY-SA 3.0/GFDL. --Rschen7754 01:51, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

I feel really badly that this nomination has dragged on this long. I've been wanting to review it, but I've been busy lately. If it keeps dragging on I will eventually review it, but if someone else wants to, feel free to take it. --Rschen7754 23:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

A couple of quick comments to start. All of the footnotes use the same date formats, so that's good. A couple of general comments though: Now that those formatting comments are out of the way, I can say that every source is appropriately reliable for use in an article on Wikipedia. They're all good maps, good newspaper articles, books, or government publications that pass our basic reliability tests. So if the formatting is polished up, this should have no problems with any future FAC.  Imzadi 1979  →   05:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd harmonize the titles to use either Title Case or Sentence case consistently. In either method, subtitles start with a new capital letter. It's especially apparent when The vital link: a history of Main Roads Western Australia 1926–1996 and The Vital Link: The Transition Years 1996–2006 are both cited with those respective capitalizations.
 * There's also some inconsistency if titles and subtitles are separated by a colon or a dash of some sort. I'm definitely used to the former (CMOS requires it), but again we can and should be consistent. That's a minor typographical change we can make to polish things.
 * I would also harmonize if state names are spelled out or abbreviated in locations. I see "Perth, WA" and "Nedlands, Western Australia" in use.
 * For note 56, I'd include a location for The Advocate to differentiate it from any other publications with that title. (In the US, it's the name of a long-running LGBT magazine, for instance.) On any notes citing the  Geraldton Guardian and Express, I would drop the "WA" as a location unless there is another publication by that title. The location in a citation is used as the analog to a parenthetical diambiguator in our Wikipedia titles.
 * Lastly, note 25 is a map that appears to be using the old way of doing things in cite map. Earlier this year we adopted a more standardized scheme from academia of citing authors of maps as authors, instead of relegating them to {{para|cartography}. (There are still cases where it is appropriate though to do so.) It also appears that the template has PDF when it should have PDF, resulting in a duplication of "PDF" and overriding the indication that the document is a map.If the map has a fixed scale, it really should be indicated, even if you have to use Scale not given. Typically in citing maps in academic contexts, I've only seen them omit the scale indication if it's variable, like Google Maps.
 * Noting that I've done some of the fixes; subtitle colon/dash harmonisation and location adjustments still to be done. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixes should all be done now, if you would like to take another look - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:19, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Just one minor comment though, which is a bit more of food for thought. In my experiences, the general rule is that the place of publication for a source is given as a city, not a whole state, so on what is now note 57 it would list the specific city in Western Australia where The Advocate is published.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:14, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I was having trouble determining a more specific location as their website only described the distribution area (which isn't a single city/location, but "the shires of Gingin, Chittering and some of the fastest growing suburbs of the City of Swan"). Looking into this further, their facebook page gives an address in Midland, WA, so I've used that. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 06:13, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Review by Rschen7754
I'll admit upfront that this review will probably be really slow and might take a month, just because I have so little time right now... but I think it's better than Evad having to wait another 3 months for the review to be closed (which would likely happen otherwise). So, I'll break this up into small pieces.


 * Preliminary stuff
 * Some sections were effectively just sand - "effectively just" seems a bit colloquial here.
 * NorthLink WA should be linked in the lead. --Rschen7754 23:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done these - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Route description
 * 7830 and 17,710 - inconsistent (also see other numbers in that sentence)
 * Fixed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Out of five stars, 21% was rated -> were? same with 79%
 * I used "was" here because the percentages are of the highway (singular) – i.e. 21% [of the highway] were... doesn't seem right. - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Great Northern Highway begins in at Morrison Road - don't need "at"
 * Adjusted to "begin at" - in isn't really correct.
 * paralleling the coastline for 455 kilometres (283 mi), passing - needs an "and" before "passing"
 * Done - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Some of the climates should probably be linked
 * Linked tropical monsoon climate - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The highway continues on for six kilometres (3.7 mi), - no need for a comma after that. --Rschen7754 23:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed - Evad37 &#91;talk] 02:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * History
 * The Midland Junction Municipal Council - run-on sentence
 * "with the sealed road ending just past the Wheatbelt town of Miling in 1950." - Do we know how the sealed road got there? (There may not be info on this, but I thought I would ask)
 * rather than the historical but slow cattle drives - not following why "historical" is mentioned here.
 * However, the resources allocated to Great Northern Highway were needed just - don't need "just"
 * Same with "even just" later on
 * "Newman was reached" - passive voice i
 * eleven route corridors were investigated - by who?
 * $2.5 billion - there should be a nbsp here (and in similar places)
 * Take a look at MOSNUM - I'm seeing some inconsistencies where you spell out the number versus where you use the numerals.


 * Future
 * Is the first paragraph still up to date?

This completes the review. --Rschen7754 21:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.