Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/Ontario Highway 420

Ontario Highway 420

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

review
 * Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
 * Nominator's comments: I'm bringing this here because I'm somewhat sketchy of its comprehensiveness and flow, and I figure it could use a good polish before any future FAC.


 * Nominated by:  Floydian  τ ¢  00:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * First comment occurred: 02:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Review by Dough4872
I will review this article.  Dough   4872   02:15, 22 June 2015 (UTC) Comments:
 * 1) In the infobox, you should add the locations of where the junctions are.
 * They're all in Niagara Falls -  Floydian  τ ¢
 * I would either add a redundant mention of "in Niagara Falls" after each junction or a location parameter to the infobox to indicate the route is in Niagara Falls.  Dough   4872   06:31, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Went with the latter -  Floydian  τ ¢  00:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) "The highway has a speed limit of 80 km/h, making it the only 400-series highway to have a speed limit less than 100 km/h for its entirety.", should add conversions to mph to help us Americans.
 * Done -  Floydian  τ ¢
 * 1) "However, as of 2014, there are no firm proposals in place.", any updates on this?
 * See below regarding the western extension. -  Floydian  τ ¢
 * 1) I don't think the historical information about the Dorchester Road interchange in the route description can be sourced to Google Maps.
 * I've got a hidden note that mentions that info being confirmed by the Region of Niagara (I have the email still), but I'm not sure how to source this as this fact is overlooked by all sources. Any thoughts? -  Floydian  τ ¢
 * Either try to find reliable sources to back the statements or otherwise remove it.  Dough   4872   06:31, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -  Floydian  τ ¢  00:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) "The route passes through a concrete trench and abruptly curves to the southeast as it passes beneath Victoria Avenue, with which there is a simple interchange", you use the verb "passes" twice in this sentence.
 * Fixed -  Floydian  τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) "East of this point, the road was named Newman Hill until March 2012.", what is it named now?
 * The previous paragraph mentions this. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) Curious question, has there ever been sign theft due to the highway being numbered 420?
 * Certainly not by me................. But nothing in the news regarding that. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) The sentence "The new link featured a traffic circle at Dorchester Road as well as at the QEW. Four gravel lanes opened between Niagara Falls and Fort Erie during the summer of 1941, becoming the main route of the QEW;[18] as a result, what would become Highway 420 was referred to by several names, including the Queen Elizabeth Way Extension (and known by locals for decades as the "Queen E Extension")[19] and the Rainbow Bridge Approach." should be split. Also, a citation is needed for the Rainbow Bridge Approach name.
 * Done -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) "In 1966, they began to purchase properties lining Roberts Street.[20] In 1971, construction began on a three-level stack interchange between the QEW and the Rainbow Bridge Approach" you begin two consecutive sentences with "In 19xx".
 * Fixed -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) Citation needed for "While the section near the QEW junction has high-mast lighting, like other provincial freeways, the rest of the route (including Regional Road 420) had the "ER" lightposts to commemorate the route's historical status as the original routing of the QEW."
 * Added -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢
 * 1) In the lead, you mention plans for a proposed extension westward but there is no mention of it in a Future section or as part of the History in the prose. Is it possible for information about this planned extension to be added to the prose?   Dough   4872   02:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Since I can't find anything regarding this, I'm simply removing it. The Mid-Pen Highway has been through enough iterations to make each a mere line on a map and nothing more. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢

Pinging - Evad37 &#91;talk] 07:47, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: I've suspended this nomination since there have not been any edits to this review in 30 days - Evad37 &#91;talk] 03:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to resume this nomination soon? If not, it will be closed. --Rschen7754 18:59, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Forgot about this. I'm ready to resume work on this. Responses have been made to Dough's notes above at this point. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  06:23, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * More fixes made -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  00:28, 20 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - It's been a long time coming, but I will now support this as my issues have been addressed.  Dough   4872   00:32, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

This will be my first source review, so bear with me.


 * Individual footnotes:
 * FN 1: The linked page states the data are from 2010.
 * FN 6/7: Google is overlinked.
 * FN 8/19/21/26: Stamp 1987 doesn't refer to anything in the bibliography. Possible earlier edition of Stamp 1992?
 * FN 10: No by-line in linked article, so I couldn't confirm the author.
 * FN 11: Link appears dead.
 * FN 14: What makes this a reliable source?
 * Read the associated HTML comment. I'll pass the buck along to either Imzadi or FAC.
 * FN 22: Last, First format needed for consistency. I couldn't access the link when I checked.
 * FN 27: Link not required, but is there one to add?


 * General
 * Dates look fine to me.
 * Publication cities: There are several publications with "Niagara" in their names that I assume were published in Niagara Falls. I don't see "Falls" in many of them.
 * Maps could use scales.

I'll let look over this review and some of the finer points and others I probably have missed. -happy5214 21:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Most fixed, with the exception of 27, as the link that once worked went dead. As for 10, I have access to the actual newspaper article through a database, which lists the author. The link does not, but at least allows readers to view the article. The

Some general additions to what noted above:
 * Complete map citations should have scales, or Scale not given (or even rarely Not to scale) added unless its to a variable-scale map like Google Maps. For consistency, I've been scales converting to ratios (1 in = 20 mi becomes 1:1,267,200 because 20 miles is 1,267,200 inches, although metric scale ratios are much neater, of course). If the scale is approximate, prefix it with "c.", and if you had to obtain the scale from a library catalog record instead of on the actual map, put it in square brackets.
 * Map citations should also have authors (we overhauled cite map a year ago for this very reason) and only rarely should be using cartography anymore. Follow what http://www.worldcat.org/ lists for author information when in doubt. (There's a map of Mackinac Island on the M-185 article drawn by Chris Bessert that does use cartography to ensure he's credited while others are indexed as the map's authors, following what the catalogs list.) Publication locations should also be added for paper map citations if they're listed for book citations.
 * FN 9 should use sections instead of section so that you get §§ instead of just §. Just as the abbreviation is doubled from p. to pp. to indicate plural, so it is with § and §§. Ditto pages on FN 2.
 * Google maps does have a date option for those cases when we're citing Street View to override the automatic access date = publication date behavior when citing dynamically generated maps. Honestly, if it's a SV cite, it probably should be cited with cite web because you're not actually citing a map, but a photo.
 * Whenever possible, try to include an ISBN, ISSN or OCLC number for a source. Based on a presentation at WikiConUSA 2015, it's even a good idea to include an OCLC even if you have an ISBN listed. OCLCs link directly to WorldCat, while ISBNs link to a search page, requiring readers to make a second click to get to library information about the source. Also, several ISBNs can be associated with the same OCLC, because they're essentially all the same source.
 * Publishers are not necessary for most newspapers. Volume and issue numbers are superfluous on newspaper citations as they are not routinely archived and indexed by volume, unlike journals. Locations shouldn't really be wikilinked in citations either because it dilutes the value of the links without providing value, unlike links to authors or publishers/newspapers which help readers who want to evaluate the credibility of a source.
 * I was going to mention the volume/issue numbers, but I couldn't remember where I had seen that advice. -happy5214 20:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd say that volume and issue numbers are not needed even on "popular" magazines, just academic journals. For instance, Time prints its volume and issue numbers inside each issue in a box with the names of the editorial staff near the table of contents, but they don't print them on the cover. This is similar to many newspapers who also bury it in an interior page. Yes, it's there and could be cited, but it's not really useful.
 * Additionally, a recent reviewer thought that I was citing the Wikipedia article on the Michigan Department of Transportation in a footnote because cite MDOT map linked the name of the cited paper map's publisher in that specific footnote. That's why we need to be judicious in what we link within footnotes to drive our readers to click on the proper link for a source and avoid overlinking just because we can..  Imzadi 1979  →   05:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've found it's nicer to use cite book for reports and add Report to get the titles in italics. The notion of an unformatted title instead of either quotation marks for a "short-form" work or italics for a "long-form" work is a bit unsettling and seems out of place to me. Judicious use of chapter vs. title will allow you to choose which way (quotes, italics) to format the title of a report.
 * One last suggestion, but there is harvp or sfnp, which differ from harvnb and sfn by putting their years in parentheses. I find this looks better because it's then more consistent with the rest of the full citations that have dates or years bracketed thusly.

As for FN 14, expect to defend that source at FAC. It may or may not fly there, and if it does, it may only because the reviewers didn't scrutinize it fully.  Imzadi 1979  →   06:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * --Rschen7754 02:55, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Replied to 's comments above. I've fixed most of the concerns raised by, although I have to go dig up the two maps for scales and find the OCLC numbers for the maps and books. Also, most older newspapers (as is the case of this paper from 1940) do show volume and issue right beneath their title on page one and often on the upper margin of each page. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  18:28, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The New York Times lists its volume and issue numbers under the masthead, yet we still wouldn't list them for citation purposes. (I don't even think the NYT archives note them in the digital reproductions of articles from past issues, just the page numbers and dates from which those articles came.) For one, libraries catalog them by date, and two, it gets into the realm of pedantry to note why some papers have the numbers defined and others do not while raising concerns about consistency. In short, standard academic citation practice is to only include volume and issue numbers for journals and some magazines and to totally omit them for most other magazines and all newspapers.  Imzadi 1979   → '  02:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * following up with what I said above. Academic journals are traditionally bound into book format at the end of publishing year by libraries. So if a researched needed to consult an article published in volume 42 of the Journal of the American Medical Association, he'd just go to the shelf and pick up a book labeled "volume 42" and the year. Whether or not the issue number needs to be cited relies on if the publisher resets the page numbering between issues or at the end of a volume. As a result, citations for academic journals normally only included the year of publication, the volume and page number, adding the issue number if necessary. As for newspapers and "popular magazines", these are traditionally scanned to microfilm and indexed by date. Even modern databases like Newspapers.com or NewspaperArchive.com indexes them just by date and omits the volume and issue numbers, meaning they are superfluous to our needs, which is why they aren't normally included in citations.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, I'll stray from it moving forward. Everything should be good on the article now; does it meet your muster?, are you........... happy? -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  23:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I updated the dates on FN 14, noted the lack of date on FN 11, and added the OCLC numbers on the two books by Stamp. Speaking of the OCLC numbers, I looked for ones for the two maps with ISBN numbers, but I couldn't find acceptable matches. I'd like to follow up on the SV citation, since the "(Map)" in it looks a little weird. I'm also still concerned about the format of the paper map citations, specifically the cartography vs. author issue and the missing scales. I'm fine with the rest, though. anything else? -happy5214 22:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * - Reformmated the SV citation as cite web, added the scales, and converted the cartographer to author. I went through about 100 results of each map without an OCLC, and came up short. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  00:51, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A couple of minor tweaks (already made by me) and we're good to go. I'm passing this source review. -happy5214 01:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I will review this article. --Rschen7754 04:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Route description
 * "Highway 420 is the shortest 400-series highway" - at this point in the RD, I would re-link 400-series highway.
 * "is known as Falls Avenue and Newman Hill" it's known as a hill? or the hill was named?
 * The road is called Newman Hill; there is more on this further down the RD. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  17:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "west of which it continues" - a bit confusing and repetitive
 * "approaches a large interchange" - seems subjective
 * parclo is too colloquial, I would spell it out.
 * I'm seeing four-level, but four lane. I believe four-lane should be hyphenated throughout.
 * AFAIK, it's only hyphenated when you use it as an adjective: "four-laned". -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  17:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * residential/retail - residential and retail
 * The route travels through a concrete trench - could be more specific. Along the bottom of? Cutting right through it?
 * I'm pretty sure overpass is not a verb.
 * No newspaper articles about the marijuana rallies? --Rschen7754 06:28, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All dealt with, except the four-lane point. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  17:09, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * History
 * King George VI, Queen Elizabeth - wikilink
 * German Autobahns - could use a link as well
 * whose ambitions?
 * summer of 1942 - mid-1942? "Summer" is not the same everywhere.
 * Though I agree enough to make the change, summer is the same throughout Ontario, the location mentioned in the lede sentence. Topics without geographical significance should use neutral language for denoting points in the year, but topics with a set location surely can, no? -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  00:35, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It actually is in MOS:SEASONS. --Rschen7754 02:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * While the section near the QEW junction has high-mast lighting, like other provincial freeways, the rest of the route (including Regional Road 420) had the "ER" lightposts to commemorate the route's historical status as the original routing of the QEW - what are "ER" lightposts? It should be more clear without the reader having to go to the other article.

This concludes the review. --Rschen7754 22:35, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All fixed, but take a look at the last History point, because I'm not sure I worded it very well. -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  00:35, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Support issues resolved. --Rschen7754 02:30, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Map (CC-BY-SA 3.0) is missing a caption.
 * Image captions: if it's a full sentence, it should have a period. If not, it should not.
 * File:June 2008 420 ER Lightpost.jpg - CC-BY-SA 3.0/GFDL
 * File:420 Expressway.JPG - PD
 * File:420 Approaching Rainbow Bridge, 1941.png - PD-Canada
 * File:420 Approaching Rainbow Bridge, 1942.jpg - PD-Canada
 * File:420 Terminus.JPG - PD
 * File:Hwy 420 and Horseshoe Falls.png - CC-BY-SA 3.0, checked Flickr. --Rschen7754 02:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Fixed the map reference issue, but unsure which images aren't following that protocol? -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  03:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The map still needs a caption in the infobox. Both of the images in the RD need to have the period removed. --Rschen7754 03:23, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Done and done :) -  Floydian  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  02:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.