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Ramakrishna
Over the past 2 months, lot of details have been added to the article, several corrections have been made. Several references have been added., a peer review will be very helpful. Thanks. — Nvineeth talk 08:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * TODO - When new articles are carved out, this will be rectified. — Nvineeth talk 08:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


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Manual peer-review

 * "was born in a small Bengali village" in the Lead is an Undue. The lead should be a summary of the article and highlight why the person is notable and his influence in the related field. —
 * "Various supernatural incidents are recounted in connection with Ramakrishna’s birth" wrong tense, should be in the past.
 * I am not sure how to change, any suggestions? — Nvineeth talk 07:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "At the age of nine, Gadadhar was to be invested with the sacred thread." is unclear -


 * "firm opposition from his family, to keep up his promise" what promise — removed this sentence, not so imp.


 * "Ramkumar ran a Sanskrit school in Calcutta " who is Ramkumar —


 * Don't swing between "Gadadhar" and "Ramakrishna". Just keep to Gadadhar, til the name "Ramakrishna" is not conferred upon him. After that, just use "Ramakrishna" throughout.
 * Comment : Its not known who, and when conferred this title., (there are 3 theories related to this), so better to mention Gadhadhar at one place, and the rest should be "Ramakrishna". — Nvineeth talk 08:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The article just notes 1: "The name Ramakrishna is said to have been given him by Mathur Babu, the son-in-law of Rani Rasmani."--Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes we need to mention all the three — Nvineeth talk 05:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There is some missing commas. Work on the punctuation marks.


 * Link an article only at the first occurrence of the name, not at every other occurrence.


 * Use IAST OR normal English, not both. The IAST can be just provided upon first occurrence of the word. Words like Kāli are in IAST; Ramakrishna is in normal English, just stick to one.
 * fixed it.


 * "Later, when Narendra", "indicated that Radha and Chaitanya had similar experiences". Who Narendra, Radha, Chaitanya. Give context. e.g., "Later, when Ramakrishna's discpiple Narendra.." Also, Narendra is Vivekanand right, so why not the name Vivekanand be used?
 * I have fixed the sentence related to "Narendra", but unclear about Radha and Cahitanya, I think this should probably be "Religious figures like Radha and Chaitanya"? any suggestions? — Nvineeth talk 05:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Made some changes, but check it once. - \
 * Not Done. See Last days para, Vivekanand is called Naren as well as Narendranath, just use Vivekanand.
 * Fixed the above comment, The name Narendranath Dutta now occurs only thrice in the article to give proper context.


 * Avoid 1-line paras like "The Bhairavi, with the yogic techniques[51] and the tantra[52][53] played an important part in the initial spiritual development of Ramakrishna." Also, references ideally should go at the end of sentences. -


 * Whole Parables, they can be shortened and merged with "Teachings" --


 * "Works related to Ramakrishna" can be merged into "Impact" --


 * How is Image:Vedanta Provident Society Logo.jpg directly related to Ramakrishna? Invalid fair use rationale.
 * The society was established on Ramakrishna's principles., so its related to RK. — Nvineeth talk 05:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Views on Ramakrishna: Legacy" can be merged into "Impact" --, other editors pls check this edit
 * "The Oceanic feeling" is a WP:UNDUE. The part related to Ramakrishna is "Ramakrishna's experiences of Samadhi[140] were termed as Oceanic feeling by Romain Rolland."
 * Pls explain this, what changes are desired? if you can explain how its undue, then the editors can take care of balancing/fixing it. — Nvineeth talk
 * "Scholars note that the same term was adapted by Freud in his book Civilization and its Discontents.[143]

Scholars have noted similarities between Ramakrishna's oceanic feeling and other religious personalities:

* St. Paul, after a similar experience, was struck blind.[144] * Suso, a German mystic of the fourteenth century, suffered at the time of his awakening so greatly in body that it seemed to him that none even in dying could suffer so much in so short a time.[144] * Richard Rolle of Hampole has recorded that his heart burned with a sensible fire, "truly not imaginingly." [144]   * St.Theresa of Avila.[145]" is not related to Ramakrishna, remove. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 16:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, its not completely required to remove it., because these are important academic studies on mysticism., but yes it must be shortened. — Nvineeth talk 05:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * "Religious Practices and Experiences" needs to be shortened.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 10:10, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A new article will be carved out of it., note the current article size is 152K! the new articles will be created after the review is complete. — Nvineeth talk 16:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * New articles created, --


 * "Notes on Biographical sources" can be merged with "Bibliography", what every book describes is not neccessary.
 * Question - as indicated by you, such a big discussion on books is not necessary, however the discussion includes valid POVs. Is it a good idea to create a article say, Books on Ramakrishna and move the stuff there? — Nvineeth talk 12:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not so sure about the article . sure that the section does not belong in Ramakrishna. An WP:UNDUE. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes the section does not belong in Ramakrishna, I have created a new article Books on Ramakrishna and the "Further reading" links to this section.


 * "Impact" must be expanded to summarize all sections in Ramakrishna's impact article.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 10:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Question — Should the Teachings be carved into a new article? The article size is around 94K. — Nvineeth talk 05:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Question — the article size is still pretty big, and as per WP:Article Size, "> 60 KB 	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)". I am planning to create two articles, List of Books on Ramakrishna and Teachings of Ramakrishna. Any other suggestions? Thanks. — Nvineeth talk 13:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * articles created : Books on Ramakrishna, Teachings of Ramakrishna

Additional Comments

 * I think the lead gets into too much detail of his life, namely the first half of the second paragraph. It should instead cover the broader aspects of his different sadhanas, impact on others, lasting impact, universality, etc.
 * I've done some copyediting of the last half of the article, but it still needs more
 * All in all, the article is much improved. ~ priyanath talk 02:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the lead is not upto the mark, and needs to be improved., we need to work on it. — Nvineeth talk 06:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)