Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration/Domer48's proposal for Ireland Article

Under the title “Findings of fact” in the section titled “Locus and state of dispute” ArbCom outlined the nature of the content dispute between the parties being:


 * 1) the appropriate titles for the article or articles concerning the country of Ireland and the island of Ireland
 * 2) the ambiguity that exists because the designation "Ireland" is used in English to refer to both of these
 * 3) disagreements concerning recent page moves relating to these articles
 * 4) whether consensus was properly obtained for the moves
 * 5) the extent to which the current article titles conform with the requirement of maintaining a neutral point of view.

Points 3-5 have not been addressed at all during any of the discussion; while points 1-2 have been endlessly discussed with no resolution been achieved. At the moment, we have been unable to locate the discussions which lead to the consensus for points 2 and 4. This proposal will not be directly addressing these issues.

My rational
My proposal is based on a number of long standing policies of the project. They include consensus, neutral point of View and verifiability based on reliable referenced sources. This is how the project deals with content disputes. Voting and polling based on Editors particular opinions/bias runs contrary to the stated polices outlined above. I have stayed within ArbCom’s Final decision, and based my proposal on the Principles laid down. Based on this then, per Naming conventions, use of the term “Ireland” for the State/Nation/Country reflects current official usage by the UN, Europe and by the UK Government. The Government of the nation refers to itself as "Ireland." Numerous evidence cited indicates that the most common usage of the term "Ireland" is in reference to the Nation/State/Country, and not the island land mass. In addition, as pointed out by ArbCom in the section titled “Locus and state of dispute”, article titles must conform with the requirement of maintaining a neutral point of view, and based on all the available sources it does. This proposal is directed towards the Community and the reader and is not intended to appeal or appease any one group or individual as the suggested polls will possibly do. It will also allow for the implementation of changes which cause the least amount of disruption to the project or the current articles. Having worked out any possible concerns it would be the intension to place a notice on the various notice boards and ask for Community endorsement.-- Domer48 'fenian'  20:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Guidlines
The guidelines at the head of each section are designed to facilitate discussion, and prevent disruption or off topic distractions. Based on our talk page guidelines the are reasonable in light of previous discussions. As this proposal is a work in progress which I will be placing before the community as a formal process, I will moderate the discussion according to the guidelines outlined on the proposal, however, if one or all of the moderators wish to adopt the process (this should not been seen as an endorsement of the proposal) it would be very welcome. The guidelines must be viewed as part of the process, and will themselves form part of the final proposal.

Proposal

 * 1) To move the article currently at Ireland to the article title Ireland (island).
 * 2) Move the article currently at Republic of Ireland to the now vacated article title Ireland
 * 3) The now vacated article title Republic of Ireland be populated with this article here.

Each Article would have a disambiguation hatnotes such as:


 * For the Article on the island see Ireland (island).
 * For the constituent country of the United Kingdom, see Northern Ireland.
 * For other uses, see Ireland (disambiguation).

Support
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 * 1) -- Domer48 'fenian'  09:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) -- Tfz    12:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) --GoodDay (talk) 12:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) -- BigDunc  Talk 19:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) --Sarah777 (talk) 00:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose
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 * 1) BritishWatcher (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) MickMacNee (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments for
''Comments must address the content and not the editor. Editors must not use sweeping claims or generalisations, and all claims must be supported by referenced sources. Please address one point at a time. Moderator/Proposer will remove all infractions of this conditions.''


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, Naming conventions & Neutral point of view Ireland as the name of the State not the island and reflects current official usage by the UN. -- Domer48 'fenian'  17:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, Naming conventions & Neutral point of view The UK Government use the Term Ireland to refer to the Irish State, not the island.  -- Domer48 'fenian'  17:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, Naming conventions & Neutral point of view. The Government of the nation refers to itself as "Ireland", and not the "Republic of Ireland". -- Domer48 'fenian'  17:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, Naming conventions & Neutral point of view. Today, the European Union note that the names of the Member States (not islands) of the European Union must always be written and abbreviated according to the Interinstitutional Style Guide rules and that neither “Republic of Ireland” nor “Irish Republic” should be used when referring to the Irish State. -- Domer48 'fenian'  17:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments against
''Comments must address the content and not the editor. Editors must not use sweeping claims or generalisations, and all claims must be supported by referenced sources. Moderator/Proposer will remove all infractions of this conditions.''

Comments neither for, nor against
''Comments must address the content and not the editor. Editors must not use sweeping claims or generalisations, and all claims must be supported by referenced sources. Please address one point at a time. Moderator/Proposer will remove all infractions of this conditions.''
 * 1) The proposal would my first preference. But failing consensus on that, the China method would be my preferred second.  Tfz     12:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) As per Tfz; this would be my first choice but I'd consider several options other than the current title. Sarah777 (talk) 00:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)