Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Noticeboard

This is the LGBT studies notice board for Wikipedians interested in articles related to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) topics. This is a noticeboard for all Wikipedians interested in these issues, not only LGBT Wikipedians. This is not a discussion page, but a page to notify users of active discussions.

Current disputes

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Articles with disputes (current)

 * Talk:Qaboos_bin_Said. Should well-sourced speculation about the Sultan of Oman be included since he died in January 2020? 20:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Arrow_(TV_series). Regarding the inclusion of TV series with significant characters who are LGBT to Category:American LGBT-related television programs. 04:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Same-sex marriage in the United States RfC here on whether to include purple as a new map‐color for Utah — 22:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Kate Bornstein A dispute over Kate's preferred pronoun (ze/hir). See the talk page. Notice also posted here 04:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Snowballing (sexual practice). RfC here on whether the article image illustrating this as a lesbian practice is accurate. 18:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Aesthetic Realism - this is an article about a group that claimed to cure (or as they put it, "solve the question of") homosexuality. This claim was the basis of any national notability they've had. (It still believes it cures homosexuality, but now won't talk about that belief publicly because it brought them negative publicity. For the past several months, under the pretext of "rewriting" the article, they've kept mention of this fact out of the lede of the article, despite the fact it had been there for years, and despite the fact that it's well-documented. Assistance in assuring that the lede conforms to Wikipedia's standards is needed. 03:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * John Bosco - Three years ago, this was a disputed article moderated and settled by LGBT in 2006. Two recent editors to the article have chosen to delete a Controversy section without seeking WP:CONSENSUS. The article has appropriate section markers in place but yet deletions occur without seeking consensus. --Morenooso (talk) 21:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In this DIFF, a neutral editor, NatGertler suggested a rewrite that has two sourced citations that demonstrate a controversy can be shown to exist. --Morenooso (talk) 01:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Lady Bunny Over whether a drag queen article uses female or male pronouns. 02:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_2 - we are considering what content should be included in relation to HX Magazine, a gay publication from New York City. - Richard Cavell (talk) 17:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ANI of the use of previous name
Discussion at administrator's noticeboard of appropriate mentions of a non-notable individual's name prior to transition in article space. Msnicki (talk) 21:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

LGBT cats for dead royalty
User:Pgarret has recently been removing the Category:LGBT Royalty from a number of gay and lesbian dead royals, such as Edward II of England, Henry III of France and Princess Isabella of Parma. He also prefers to replace "gay" with "homosexual" which may be indicative of his WP:POV. I started a conversation on his talk page and he simply reiterated his view that it is WP:OR for these individuals to be declared gay simply because they had sexual relations with people of the same sex and then reverted my reverts. Apparently, his grandfather was baptised by one of the royals whom he has decided is not gay enough to be labeled LGBT (which he views as a "political" term) so it is also somewhat personal to him. Argos ' Dad  15:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Extreme right-wing POV pushing, deleting swathes of text on anything to do with LGBT issues


He has now also joined the group and stated he wants to perform a "purge" of LGBT articles that "advertise"

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies quotes: "Well now they appear to have a like-minded partner (diff) too on an article I recently created. I give up, not going to edit war. Altairisfar (talk) 00:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)" — "I'm not surprised, as they've tag-teamed on LGBT-related articles before [emphasis mine]. At any rate, I've found sources on Udaan Trust and IGLYO, and I do wonder if the other nominations [emphasis mine] are just as frivolous. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)"

-- Mistress Selina Kyle  ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  17:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * And then there's this highly offensive comment made on the main project talkpage by User:Lionelt (referred to above as the like-minded partner). Altairisfar (talk) 07:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Repeated "grow a pair" sexism: Testical cancer survivor
Hi brothers and sisters and fellow somewhat ambiguous persons,


 * 1) At an ANI about me, an editor |suggested that an administrator "grow a pair" and block me.
 * My reply requested that the editor avoid sexist terminology like "grow a pair", particularly when addressing editors (me) displaying the Livestrong userbox (about testicle cancer). The sexist remark was not redacted, and nobody else objected the sexism.

None of these remarks have been redacted, and nobody else has objected to them. After I wrote "Nobody gives a shit about your gonads" in response to the last "grow a pair", there has been another suggestion of blocking me.
 * 1) The administrator who had closed yesterday's ANI, removing  the Livestrong (testicle-cancer survivor) user-box in a special and final edit, repeated the phrase "grow a pair" at the Administrator Noticeboard.
 * 2) Then an arbcom administrator repeated the phrase "grow a pair" at the Administrator Noticeboard.

I am not a saint. The ANI arose mostly because of my clean-ups of articles on American socialism. At my worst, I had firmly criticized an edit describing the majority of the Socialist Party of America (includingMichael Harrington, Bayard Rustin, Tom Kahn, Sandra Feldman, Rachelle Horowitz, etc.) as "democratic centralist (Leninist)"; this edit had removed "Stalinist" before "Stalinist democratic-centralism" from an unreliable source.I also asked a fellow who kept misunderstanding what I wrote whether he had poor vision, like myself.

However, whatever my faults, I do not deserve the last two repeated, consciously sexist pokes, at least one of which was a deliberate baiting.

Sincerely, 01:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC) This matter has been resolved. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 15:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussions
Use the deletion sorting system at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender, and consider watchlisting that page.

Requests For Comment

 * Talk:Transgender - Discussion on how to word the lead sentence of Transgender 18:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested articles
Use the "Social Sciences and Philosophy" section of WP:Requested Articles.

Articles needing work
Stubs can be found at Category:LGBT stubs and Category:LGBT rights activist stubs.


 * LGBT rights in Pakistan – might need a formal assessment but more citations and images are welcome. Please help. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 18:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Conversion therapy could do with balanced input from LGBT editors. Conor (talk) 08:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It could do with balanced input from non-LGBT editors too. Skoojal (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Skoojal, I agree wholeheartedly... the more the merrier! ;-) Conor (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * John Maynard Keynes as he's returned to prominence recently and is commonly considered the most influential economist of the 20th century I thought it would be nice to get him up to FA status as part of a project. Maybe I should have joined the economics project, but even the ones I like their seem too free market, I’d be the only one with NPOV, LOL!  So I hope its okay for me to second myself to this project.
 * I'm really failing to see how John Maynard Keynes is relevant to the LGBT project. Just because someone is LGBT, doesn't necessarily make them of interest here. Also, of course the economics project would heavily discuss the free market, after all its a rather important economic theory of modern times. Keynes might've been influential, but you being pro-Keynes doesn't make you NPOV. Danrules2 (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LGBT project helps with the LGBT aspects and ensuring they are presented accurately. His sexuality does seem to be a major aspect of his story so I think assisting on it is seems fine. You may want to post on the project page with specific help you seek. -- Banj e  b oi   12:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

List of LGBT events: I've raised a few issues on this article's talk page that could use editor input. Please add your comments after the boxes. --Tiger Marc ROAR! 13:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

C. A. Patrides, the Milton scholar The two editors lack access to whose bibliographical information is somewhat corrupted at the Wiley website; we would like to check page numbers. The student newspaper of the University of Michigan, discussed his death from complications with AIDS in 1986.
 * C. A. Patrides
 * The Milton Quarterly,
 * The Michigan Daily,

Professors Claude J. Summers and Larry-Ted Pebworth, well known scholars of literature and LGBT history, wrote memorial pieces, with Summers's being in the inaccessible Milton Quarterly'. Professor Gordon Campbell read the article and gave his approval: "it looks fine". His dearest friends apparently respected his privacy in death as C.A.P. practiced discretion in life, apparently; the discussions of his sexuality in the Milton Quarterly were brief and surprisingly quaint, according to my 15-year old memories.

Two especially interesting facts (besides him being a world-leading professor of literature and intellectual history): Thanks for your help. Kiefer .Wolfowitz 04:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As a boy in Greece in WWII, C.A.P. ran messages for the Resistance against the German Occupation; his astonishing courage received an "Order of Heroes" medal.
 * C.A.P. was the "culprit" of Stanley Fish's withdrawal from "get[ting] medieval on your ass" and becoming a Milton scholar and the inspiration for Morris Zapp)


 * New York City Gay Hockey Association I was going to nominate this for AfD due to lack of notability, but I'd figured someone here might want to try and rescue this first. I'll check back in a month and if it's still in a crappy state, I will make the nom. Regards.    little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 01:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested categories

 * Category:Anti-gay_propaganda - this category is recently up for deletion but topics like Homosexual Agenda, Anti-LGBT slogans and Homophobic propaganda obviously fall into the same class. Please join the discussions to keep or rename the category if you believe there is a less controversial alternative.
 * Category:Bisexual Wikipedians
 * Category:Gay Wikipedians - Currently being discussed to be undeleted, exists as a redirect to Category:LGBT Wikipedians along with other LGBT wikipedians' categories.
 * Category:Lesbian Wikipedians
 * Category:Queer historians
 * Category:Transsexual Wikipedians
 * Category:Trans historians
 * Just a comment here – all users with the userbox are automatically put into Category:Transgender Wikipedians. I personally don't see the necessity for creating a category for transsexual Wikipedians, as the transgender category is pretty small as it is. – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 20:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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