Wikipedia:WikiProject Metal/Poll

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Genres

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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  00:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Alternative metal

 * chau urlas :P Article describes it as a crossover, but it is hugely popular. Keep Delete Cross-ref if theres a decent article for it and if we're keeping Nu-metal.  Dei zio  13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Not a core genre Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, not specific enough, I don't see what Slipknot, Alice in Chains, and Rage have in common. +Johnson 15:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Johnson (if it was up to me I'd say delete completely, but I guess I'll settle for cross-ref). --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  and merge Avant garde metal into it --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep == Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC) (This should be kept)
 * Delete -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 14:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Will only confuse the average reader not familiar with the genre and it's history.--Eupator 14:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, What? Like Alternative rock? The stupid kind? No thanks.--Lone Isle 15:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Most of those bands have little in common and belong to other genres AidanPryde 13:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Not Metal, as far as I am concerned -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Nu-metal, they have a common origin in the mixture of heavy metal music and post-punk. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  00:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Avant garde metal

 * Delete, not yet sure whether minor or cross-ref.  Dei zio  13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Better featured on the Fused Article for such references. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (cross-ref) --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Alternative Metal --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't Say - Don't know much about this -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, Mixed feelings...some of it is really black or gothic metal.--Eupator 14:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Avant Garde metal? Like postmodern? No thanks.--Lone Isle 15:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Really obscure -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is important just as Folk metal and if you throw it of the template other readers may not even know it exists. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, although I am not sure whether this should be counted as a genre unto itself, as many different genres of metal have "avant-garde" bands. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  00:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Black metal

 * Keep  Dei zio  13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Self explanatory. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep = (how can you even think of this?)Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --JM.Beaubourg 10:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Eupator 14:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Lone Isle 15:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, this should be obvious. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --C.S.W. 12:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Obvious keep Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  01:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian metal

 * Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, maybe merge with Christian rock? +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, we should ignore the Christian thing altogether and put bands in the genres they would be in if they didn't have Christian influences. The Christian music page can categorise Christian metal as a sub-genre very nicely without us doing it too.  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (cross-ref)--IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete =Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (Since this itself has bands playing many styles) -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - These bands have done a great service to society - Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC
 * Delete as per  Dei zio  --JM.Beaubourg 10:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, This is not a musical genre. Christian bands exist in every subgenre. Ie: Mortification is a Christian Death Metal band.--Eupator 14:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no "christian" metal. Just metal played in the usual metal fashion that happens to have xian lyrics.--Lone Isle 15:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Despite differences in style it does exist as a community, but not core.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Christian metal is not a genre unto itself, it is just metal with christian/evangelical lyrics. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete, Christian is not realy a genre --C.S.W. 12:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete While there are plenty of christian bands in all genres, I would not consider "christian metal" it's own style(more of a movement, crossing all genres) Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Further debate required - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template at this time.  Dei zio  01:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Note - This one was close, a "vote count" here gives 11 deletes and 9 keeps, which would be a "no-consensus, keep" in AfD. However, after analysing the rationales of both the keep and delete votes, there is no indication that this title definitively describes a core genre of metal. I would suggest that the questions of whether this is "classic" or "traditional" metal, and (as Iron Chris states) whether this is actually a genre or a period, need to be addressed first.

Classic metal

 * Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's just heavy metal. Leave as cross ref if theres an article.  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (neither minor nor cross-ref, this just refers to a period, not a genre in itself) --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep =Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (A Classic genre) -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete marnues 00:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - How can you forget the pioneers of Metal - Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete +Johnson 07:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Heavy metal is "Classic Metal".--Eupator 14:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Or perhaps merge with Heavy Metal and call it "Traditional Heavy Metal" for disambiguation.--Lone Isle 15:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep We saw these groups as sharing a lot that is ignored now there are inifinte subdivisions. But call it "Traditional" or "Original" to avoid confusion with "Neoclassical"--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, When you say classic metal, a certain vision comes to mind. Iron Maiden and the 80s -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, where I come from we refer to this as "traditional metal". --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a term my friends and I use Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Death metal

 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Metal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (you cant do this again)= Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --JM.Beaubourg 10:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Keeeeeep--Lone Isle 15:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --C.S.W. 13:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Doom metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep ====Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --C.S.W. 12:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Folk metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, although this is a difficult one. Some bands play folk-black metal (Finntroll), some play power/thrash folk metal (Korpiklaani); putting them all together could be problematic (so it could be considered a cross-genre by some) and the boundaries of the genre are sometimes difficult to define. --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep ==Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, though I wished for a more precise categorization, but know it would be very difficult. JM.Beaubourg 11:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, Hard to ctaegorize. Is My Kantele by Amorphis folk? Hard to categorize.--Eupator 14:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Or redefine. Some of this is cross/subgenres.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is an emerging genre which may grow in the future. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a distict sound --C.S.W. 12:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete more of a cross-genre, IMO. Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  01:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Funk metal

 * Delete and merge with funk rock +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, cross ref, very few "metal" bands here  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think it's a significant genre at all, let alone minor or cross-ref. The article lists Red Hot Chili Peppers and Primus... we're talking rock here! And I wouldn't have found any similarity with funk in Rage Against the Machine, but maybe i'm wrong... --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Even though its gash --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete
 * Can't Say -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Its not core. marnues 01:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete,--Eupator 14:34, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete
 * Delete Not major, keep the template simple.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, it is too minor and outdated a genre to include. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete better to be a sub-genre Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Glam metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 *  Keep Minor,by definition a cross-over but notable enough.  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete not metal Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (cross-ref) though it is metal (Twisted Sister, Mötley Crüe, Skid Row...) it is definitely a cross-genre. It is clearly not distinct enough from other genres to warrant a place in the template. --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Its called metal but its hard rock. marnues 00:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Pretty obvious - Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Metal in lots of people's minds. --Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, even though it is more commercial hard rock than metal, many people consider glam to fall into the "metal" category. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, It was the best things along with thrash and punk to come out of the 80's --C.S.W. 12:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Gothic metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete--M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC) This is not a genre, just a cross-ref.
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete --Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, gothic metal overlaps with black, death, and doom though. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --C.S.W. 12:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Grindcore

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 *  Neutral Minor, if this will contain Noisecore, Goregrind and friends I guess it works.  Dei zio  16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per  Dei zio . --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (who the f==k can delete this ?) =Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Uber Strong Keep',--Eupator 14:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  01:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Groove metal

 * Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge with thrash. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 *  Delete cross ref, don't see anything convincing in the article. Never going to convinve me that Pantera, Machine Head and White Zombie are in the same core genre.  Dei zio  16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete merge article with thrash metal Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete wtf is this? cross-ref I guess... The article even states that it's thrash. --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Though I know I'm in the minority on this. marnues 00:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, merge with thrash.--Eupator 14:37, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Keep it simple.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, This seems made-up -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Merge with thrash. AidanPryde 15:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Unsure, possibly rename it "post-thrash" which is really a more accurate title. --Eastlaw 10:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, --C.S.W. 12:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Industrial metal

 * Delete. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Very Strong Keep as distinct core genre.  Dei zio  16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * weak keep as it borrows a lot from other styles Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep as per  Dei zio . There are a number of bands that cannot be classified in any other category (Samael, Ministry). --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --JM.Beaubourg 11:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, Dead World? Godflesh? Early Misery Loves Co. and Pitchshifter... --Eupator 14:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Tends to crossover.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep, an important genre. --Eastlaw 10:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, It has it's own sound --C.S.W. 12:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Neo-classical metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Core genres are genres that have their own scenes and subsidarys.Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not sure if minor or cross ref. for the same reasons we deleted Symphonic. Not a "core metal genre", rather a crossover between heavy metal and classical influences.  Dei zio  03:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (minor) as per  Dei zio . If symphonic metal is deleted so should be neo-classical.--IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Prog or Symphonic maybe --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (I am a guitarist and I can tell you this is a distinctive genre) -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I thought everyone would agree on this one... marnues 00:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, --Eupator 14:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with prog or symphonic as per PopUpPirate's suggestion (good call). --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  01:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Nu Metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sub-genre of alternative?  Dei zio  13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a core genre, Alternative Metal is a neoglism for this, used by fans to 'glorify' Nu Metal bands. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep don't get the "glorify" thing, but keep this if we're getting rid of "alternative"  Dei zio  16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * delete not metal, rock Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Ley Shade. --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete ==Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete AltMetal and NuMetal are distinct genres, neither of which are core to metal. marnues 00:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete,--Eupator 14:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep', While we might not like Nu metal, its still metal AidanPryde 13:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, AidenPryde, it is not metal -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with alternative metal, as stated above. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delte --C.S.W. 12:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Power metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article needs to be cleaned up, which i think its listed for. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, --Eupator 14:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Totally keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Unsure, possibly merge with classic metal? Just a suggestion, --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, --C.S.W. 12:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Progressive metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Is a core genre, needs to be added to list of articles to be worked on, as the scene is wholey dependant on itself. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, Although main article has to reflect much more autonomy from Prog rock (especially all the links at the bottom) and ensure that the prominent bands in it identify as "progressive metal" on their articles. Consistency is very important with this kind of thing  Dei zio  16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep, for reasons which should be obvious. --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --C.S.W. 12:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Delete - This genre will not appear on the Heavy metal template  Dei zio  01:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Speed metal

 * Delete. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Better on the Big Reference article. Ley Shade 14:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 *  Keep Delete, cross ref, fair enough, having looked at the article it actually defines what we're getting rid of here.  Dei zio  16:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete (cross-ref). Deleting symphonic and keeping speed would make no sense at all. It is definitely a cross-genre, as clearly explicited by the article.--IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete (Perhaps, a little vague) -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete marnues 03:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Patrolling the   ocean called   Wikipedia |Tell me about vandals, violations and more... 07:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, --Eupator 14:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete As now defined, not a distinct genre.--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, Speed metal is not exactly Thrash -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, "speed metal" is a very poorly-defined genre; it is too difficult to determine what to include or exclude. --Eastlaw 10:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Definite Keep + Rewrite, The page is very terribly written, but nontheless Speed Metal differs from power and thrash and thus should be kept (after a serious rewrite). --Ryouga 19:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, and merge with thrash --C.S.W. 12:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree that it could be merged with thrash - "Speed Metal" is too broad of a term, IMO. Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Symphonic Metal

 * Keep A core genre, not a subsidary or cross-genre term. This article and Gothic Metal both show what we are aiming to accomplish with this clean up, in moving stubs into the main articles. Deizo, please 'read' the article. Ley Shade 02:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 *  Delete , still have concerns about this being "core" and too close to Gothic metal. The article does assert that this is distinct but also describes it as combining several other genres. The (relatively small number of) bands on the list therein are identified solely as Symphonic metal, while some stubs of sub-genres can be moved in here which are both important. A better article with some more notable bands in the list, also defined on their articles as Symphonic metal, would be great in asserting this as "core", which for me demands both a distinct sound and popularity, with plenty of notable exponents. LS, I appreciate you feel strongly about this but I'm not yet moved from the debate in the previous discussion.  Dei zio  03:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Minor, accept it's distinct but not "core"  Dei zio  21:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete (cross-ref); a genre that lumps together symphonic power metal and symphonic black metal is surely considered cross-genre? In my opinion it really doesn't qualify for being on the template. Symphonic power metal is close to gothic metal or power metal, and symphonic black metal is close to, well, black metal... I don't see the need of adding this on the template as well. --IronChris |  (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep =Mangonel 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't Say (Maybe Keep) (Need to know more about this one) -- X y  l  y  X  | (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep problem is that a few bands are pure symphonic metal but its a cross-ref for most. marnues 00:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Metal man123 09:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep,--Eupator 14:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with progressive metal (again, just a suggestion). --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --C.S.W. 12:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


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The result was Keep as core genre, to be listed on the Heavy metal template.  Dei zio  01:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thrash metal

 * Keep. +Johnson 15:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep  Dei zio  13:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * keep Spearhead 18:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --IronChris 02:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --PopUpPirate 08:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --M<b style="color:green;">e</b>tal Thunder मेटल थणडर|(Talk) 12:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep,--Eupator 14:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep--Maestlin 19:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -  Maha  Mantri | talk  13:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Death2 22:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, I love thrash! \m/  --Eastlaw 10:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Very Strong Keep, Thrash is amazing --C.S.W. 12:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Skeletor2112 12:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


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Very Important Note
This poll has been moved here from the project talk page, and it's "rules" and closing dates unilaterally changed by Ley Shade. As such, the original votes which were "carried over" and the rationales behind them were made under different rules to the ones below. This alteration to the poll does not reflect a consensus of those who began the poll, and I fear the usefulness of the original exercise has been seriously, perhaps irrevocably, damaged.

In the original poll we were aiming to strip down the template to the "core" metal genres, in order to agree a common position and facilitate consensus when additions or alterations to the template were proposed. It was never intended to be a popularity contest or a place to promote your own personal tastes.

The votes were to decide which genres would be on Template:Heavymetal and also which section of List of heavy metal genres a given sub-genre would fit into. As such it was possible to vote in one of three ways:


 * Keep, for sub genres to go on the template and the "core" section of the list
 * Delete-Minor, distinct metal sub-genres but not major enough to go on the template. These would go in the "minor" section of the list
 * Delete-Cross-reference, cross-over and mixed sub-genres which would not go on the template and would in the "cross references" section of the list.

While it is important for members of the project to participate on this vote, it is also important that members understand why they are voting and what they are voting for. To paraphrase what Ley Shade personally declared on the project talk page, "...if "cross-reference" genres like speed metal are included on the template, then all the cross-referenced genres will have to go on".

If the result of this poll is to be very inclusive about what counts as a core metal genre, it will be very hard to object to metal-related genres, sub-genres, sub-sub-genres and cross-referenced genres which have a main Wikipedia article (i.e. everything on the Heavy metal list for starters) being placed on the template.

Overview
This page is for voting on the inclusion of genres on the Heavy Metal Template, and will act as a guide point to future work regarding other projects that the group chooses to partake in. The simple voting rules are below.

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