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December 2006

 * Al-Aqsa Intifada. Need some more calm NPOV editors and admins working on this page. Lots of POV-pushing history on this page that has slowed down progress. From all sides. Much unsourced material remains on the page. --Timeshifter 14:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Taba Summit. On the talk page there is a need for people to reply to the official request for comment. --Timeshifter 14:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

February 2007

 * Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page‎. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page‎. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page‎. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page‎. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

April 2007

 * Occupation of Palestine has been reduced to a (very problematic) disambiguation page. As far as I can tell, anyone looking for this quite important topic under its obvious name will be sent down a maze of twisty little passages. Further comments at Talk:Occupation of Palestine, which is probably where this should be discussed. - Jmabel | Talk 07:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * . See: Articles for deletion/United States military aid to Israel. The original closing admin (Doc) wrote: "The result was KEEP - merging is of course an editorial decision to be worked out on the talk pages." Another admin deleted that closing improperly, and changed the closing admin comment to "The result was Delete - with a strong suggestion to merge." See: Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive235. During the DRV, Deletion review/Log/2007 April 26, the original closing admin (Doc) clarified his closing comment and changed it to, "The result was No Consensus = default KEEP - merging is of course an editorial decision to be worked out on the talk pages". The DRV closing admin wrote: "After examining the comments carefully (and ignoring the boldfaces here, which were often confused), there is a ~75% consensus in support of Doc's original closure. Relisting is at editorial option; merge discussions belong on the appropriate talk pages." There are overall articles called United States military aid and Israel-United States military relations. The list of U.S.-supplied weapons systems in the article in question here, United States military aid to Israel, was originally too long to merge with those 2 articles. It was also too long to merge with Israel-United States relations. Thus the need for keeping this spinout article at first. Some editors tried to delete the main section of the article (the list). See this incident report: Administrators' noticeboard/Archive85. Resolution was reached after the list was put in a condensed format that greatly reduced its length without deleting any of it. Then the list was merged with Israel-United States military relations. So the AFD attempt, followed by a partial merge and delete attempt, both failed, and the sourced info in the article has been saved. --Timeshifter 08:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

June 2007

 * June 21. east jerusalem. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine for more info. I did not get the closing admin to change his mind. So I started a deletion review at Deletion review/Log/2007 June 22. --Timeshifter 09:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Deletion of the overall category was endorsed by the closing admin of the deletion review. I think there would be little rational objection to more specific categories based on the 2 subsections of this page: List of East Jerusalem locations. To see a list of the articles that were categorized in the deleted category please go here: Talk:List of East Jerusalem locations. --Timeshifter 10:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

August 2007

 * August 5. WP:ANI about Jerusalem categorization. Please see discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive818. --Timeshifter 11:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Discussion is now archived here: . It lists many examples of this still-ongoing POV campaign. --Timeshifter 17:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * August 12. Please see Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 7 and Category:Palestinian territories. There is another deletion attempt concerning various "Palestinian territories" categories. --Timeshifter 17:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

October 2007

 * October 19. There are some disagreements occurring at Occupation 101 and Second Intifada. Please have a look, and feel free to edit the articles. --Timeshifter 00:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Context related articles
With all fields of study, there are greater contexts above even the enormous contexts, and the Arab-Israeli conflicts cannot truly be discussed without including the greater influence of Western and U.S. power &mdash;this is often the most controversial aspect of discussing the Middle-East peace process.


 * ''US influence/role in Middle east conflict

Project Members
List of Invitees: The following have been individually asked to participate here in light of their demonstrated interest and dedication to editing pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict that are subject to edit wars or their help in calming edit wars in progress:

February 13, 2004
 * User:Adam Carr (Talk) I am happy to join a discussion group, but I certainly don't agree that the "greater influence of Western and US power" has got anything to do with this topic and if that is the ideological starting point then I won't be participating. I am not willing to agree to refrain from editing any article. Adam 14:12, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * LittleDan (Talk)
 * MyRedDice ( Talk) Refuse, see Talk
 * RK (Talk)
 * Slrubenstein (Talk)
 * User:Uriber (Talk)

February 12, 2004
 * User:Danny (Talk) Refuse on February 12, 2004

February 11, 2004
 * User:Zero0000 (Talk) Agree on condition OneVoice is banned or leaves voluntarily. Otherwise refuse.
 * User:Viajero (Talk) Refuse on February 13, 2004
 * MathKnight (Talk) Accepts on February 21, 2004
 * User:Delirium (Talk) Accept but with reservations
 * No-One Jones (Talk) Accept but with reservations
 * User:Humus sapiens (Talk) Accept but with reservations
 * User:Ed Poor (Talk) Accept but with reservations on Febrary 11, 2004
 * &#25140;&#30505sv (Talk)
 * User:OneVoice (Talk) Accept on Febrary 11, 2004

To ask list

 * -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 16:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Third holiest site in Islam AfD debate
I've nominated this article for deletion Third_holiest_site_in_Islam, and would appreciate any comments on the matter.--Amerique 08:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Boilerplate text for invites -- I don't think this site above, should be deleted. There is nothing wrong with it. -NC

I'm sorry but why exactly do you wish to delete this page? I concur with the above user, there's nothing wrong with it. Please explain your reasons - AB

Pages related to Israel or Palestine
list of articles related to the conflict - please help sorting, so we can make something like a general table of contents out of it.

Suggestions

 * A proposal for guidelines for the depiction of this conflict is here.
 * general remarks of Elian
 * Policy for adding links
 * Discussion on terminology:
 * What violent attack can be referred to as terrorism.
 * I suggest deprecating "terrorism" and "terrorists" in favour of "militancy" and "militants". See Definitions of terrorism (esp. Jason Burke comment) for rationale. It can then just be noted that some of these organisations are stated to be terrorist organisations by certain people, without taking a stance on their status. (Thus "Hamas is a militant organisation dedicated to XYZ. It has claimed credit for ABC and is defined as a terorist organisation by PQR".  But equally, "Israeli militants bombed XYZ". We do not have to choose which if either are labelled "terrorists" in Wikipedia) FT2 09:18, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC) I disagree.  Refusing to label an act of terrorism that is admittedly an act indiscriminately aimed at killing people for a political purpose as terrorism is evidence of bias in and of itself. "Freedom fighters" may target military facilities or military personel but to commit random acts of murder because one feels "occupied" is still murder and because it is done for a political purpose it is terrorism. Acts done in response with some attempt to target persons guilty of terrorism or to defend against terrorist attacks should not be labled terrorism. Those acts may
 * What organization can be defined as terrorist groups (reference: US State department list of terror organizations).
 * West Bank\Gaza Strip or occupied territories or the disputed territories.
 * In my opinion - the WB\GS is the most NPOV and the least controversial. MathKnight 12:19, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Is there a place called "Palestine"?

Information sources

 * Israeli-Palestinian conflict external references
 * Definitions of terrorism

Important issues not yet treated:

 * What method can Wikipedia employ to organize the extraordenary proliferation and chaos of articles on this subject?
 * A series of higher level catagories to organize subjects?
 * History
 * Theory
 * Juxtaposed points. Split page format?
 * Complete Chronicle of crimes/terrorist attacks.?
 * is it encycolpedic to compile a database for all incidents of ethnic violence.
 * Roll of natural resources
 * Sea Ports
 * Realestate
 * Role of the water question in the conflict.
 * Refusal to serve in the Israeli military - Prison sentences for Israelis who refuse to do military service in the "occupied" territories, including Netanyahu's nephew:
 * Amnesty International link
 * Findlaw Mariner column link
 * locations/population/history of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories.
 * houses/buildings demolished by Israeli forces.
 * houses/buildings demolished by Israeli forces.