Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Alfred Shout


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Article promoted by Ian Rose (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC) &laquo; Return to A-Class review list

Alfred Shout

 * Nominator(s): 

It has been some time since my last ACR, but I believe this one meets the criteria. Shout was a New Zealand-born soldier and Australian Victoria Cross recipient of the First World War. Commissioned into the AIF not long after its formation, Shout took part in the Gallipoli landings on 25 April 1915, was awarded the Military Cross for his "conspicuous courage and ability" two days later, and soon after Mentioned in Despatches. His VC was posthumously awarded for his actions at Lone Pine in August 1915 – after Ottoman forces had recaptured a section of trench, Shout twice led small parties of men to clear them out. He was mortally wounded when a bomb he was throwing prematurely exploded. Shout was the most highly decorated man in the AIF at Gallipoli, and his VC sold for a world record auction price in 2006. The article has had a long gestation period, but passed as GA late last year and, after some recent copy-editing, I think it right for an ACR. Any and all comments welcome, and greatly appreciated. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Support: G'day, welcome back to ACR! I have a few minor points, but otherwise I think this one is up to snuff: AustralianRupert (talk) 08:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * "formulated an invasion plan of the Gallipoli Peninsula" --> "formulated a plan to invade the Gallipoli Peninsula"?
 * "Led by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Battalions..." (probably could link the 3rd and 4th Battalions here)
 * inconsistent date format, compare "2017-07-31" v "29 June 2013"
 * "File:C01998.jpg": the source link doesn't appear to be working for me:
 * "File:P11610.002.jpg": same as above:
 * "File:P05402.001.jpg": same as above:
 * "File:P02058.001.jpg": same as above:
 * "File:Alfred John Shout at Quinns Post.jpg": same as above:
 * "also active in the Militia..." (in the lead you use the term Militia, but do not use it again, probably best to be consistent)
 * in the Bibliography, are there OCLC numbers that could be added for the two Bean works, and the Wigmore source?
 * in the Bibliograph, the location presentation is slightly inconsistent, compare: "Canberra, Australia" v. "Prahran, Victoria, Australia"
 * Thanks for the review,, and for picking up on the above – most appreciated! I have actioned all of your points (see my edits) with the exception of the Quinns Post image. As you have probably noticed, the AWM launched a new website a few weeks ago, during which the linking ID for all images seems to have changed. I was able to connect the new source link for all of the other photographs, but for some reason the Quinns Post image is yet to be transferred over to the new site (though is still available on the old ). Will wait a few days to see if the image is transferred over, but if not I'll replace the AWM template with an archival link. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:35, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The AWM has now transferred the Quinn's Post image over to the new site, so I have updated the link accordingly. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:01, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Support: Looks good to me.
 * Check out the Australian Military Forces article. You'll see that your use of CMF is incorrect in the first two sections. You should say AMF, not CMF.
 * Hawkeye7  (talk)  22:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the review, ! Regarding the CMF v. AMF issue, the table at Australian Military Forces states that the collective Australian Army (Regular and Reserves) were not known as the AMF until 1916, after Shout's death. Similarly, Jeffrey Grey's The Australian Army (South Melbourne: Oxford, 2001), p. 26 notes that the part-time volunteer force was known as the CMF from at least 1909. However, has kindly tweaked all mentions to "Citizens' Forces", which I think works fine. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

 Comments Support by Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC): I'll work through this over the next day or so.
 * I've switched CMF to Citizens' Forces, which I believe was the name at the time.
 * Many thanks. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:01, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Is there information about what medals he received for his South African service with what clasps?
 * Have just worked this in. I also added mention of Shout's campaign medals from the First World War, though admittedly in a note as I saw no smooth way of incorporating them into the Legacy section. Thanks very much for the review! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:01, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


 * suggest "the only one awarded to members of the AIF", as the sentence reads a bit oddly at present
 * Done.


 * the links for fn 5 and 51 come up with a 404 error, and I get some sort of security-related error when I click on the link in fn 4.
 * Have removed fn 5 as it wasn't really needed, and updated fn 51 (now 50). Not sure what the issue was with 4, but I have updated the URL and it seems to be working fine now.


 * image-wise, the infobox pic doesn't need a PD-URAA, as I recently discovered the PD-AustraliaGov one covers worldwide. Also File:P02058.001.jpg should probably be PD-AustraliaGov and drop the US licence tag, same for File:C01998.jpg, File:P11610.002.jpg and File:P05402.001.jpg. This is because PD-URAA requires a date of publication, which we don't have for these pics.
 * Done.

Otherwise, that's me done. Great job, and welcome back to ACR! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:34, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, ! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


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