Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Masan


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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Masan

 * Nominator(s): — Ed! (talk)

I am nominating this article for A-Class review. — Ed! (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Comments/suggestions: I had a go at copyediting the lead and the aftermath. I have a few suggestions (I got up to the start of the "Battle of Komam-ni" section):
 * in the "Outbreak of war" section: "Following the 25 June 1950 outbreak of the Korean War after the invasion of the..." This could probably be simplified. For instance, perhaps try: "Following the 25 June 1950 invasion of the...";
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "the goal of fighting back the North Korean invasion and to prevent South Korea from collapsing". Consider: "the goal of pushing back the North Korean invasion and preventing South Korea from collapsing..."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "The division was consequently alone..." (not sure about this one, as a consequence of what? For me, I think you mean as a consequence of the drawdown of US forces in the Far East that is mentioned in the paragraph above, but IMO it is separated too much for the reader to make that leap). I think it might be best to add something, for instance: "...much larger North Korean units to buy time to allow reinforcements to arrive. These were held up due to logistical problems and as a resutl the division was consequently alone..." (something like that, but I am only making up the part about logistical problems, you would need to confirm this, or substitute the reason);
 * Removed the word altogether. — Ed! (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * there is some repetition here: "he division made a final stand in the Battle of Taejon, where it was defeated a final time" (specifically the word "final" - perhaps reword);
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * repetition here: "With Taejon captured, North Korean forces began surrounding the Pusan Perimeter from all sides in an attempt to envelop" (surround, all sides, envelop - these essentially mean the same thing, IMO). Perhaps try: "With Taejon captured, North Korean forces began surrounding the Pusan Perimeter."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * repetition in the North Korean advance section: the first para ends with: "...repeatedly pushing back U.S. and South Korean forces". The second paragraph begins with: "American forces were pushed back repeatedly";
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * in the Task force Kean section: "units on the Masan area to secure". Perhaps try: "units in the Masan area to secure";
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * there is a comma splice here: "and the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade attached, a force of about...". Perhaps try: "and the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade attached. Together this represented a force of about...";
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * not sure about the caps here: "The Force surged forward to Pansong". Probably should be "The force" as it is not a proper noun in this instance;
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * not sure about the caps here: "However the rest of the Task Force was slowed by enemy resistance". Probably should be "task force" as it is not a proper noun in this instance;
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * there is some repetition here: "the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade forces were withdrawn from the force on August 12 " (specifically forces). Perhaps try: "the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade elements were withdrawn from the force on August 12..."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 20:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * this could be tighter: "forward supported by naval artillery and field artillery". Perhaps try: "forward supported by naval and field artillery";
 * I suggest the addition of an introductory comma here: "In the confusion North Korean armor was..." (specificially after "In the confusion");
 * this could be tigher: "inflicting massive numbers of casualties on one another". Perhaps: "inflicting heavy casualties on one another";
 * this needs an endash: "The 6th Division had been reduced to 3,000-4,000" (also I suggest adding "personnel" after the numerals);
 * in the UN redraws battle lines section, this probably should have a paired comma: "Walker then ordered the US 25th Infantry Division, under Kean to take up defensive" (second comma after "under Kean");
 * "The 2,000 feet (610 m) mountain ridges" I think this should be: "The 2,000-foot (610 m) mountain ridges..." (could be achieved by adding "adj=yes");
 * "dominated by 900 feet (270 m) Sibidang-san, along..." Probably should be: "dominated by the 900-foot (270 m) Sibidang-san, along..."
 * there is comma splice here: "left flank west of Komam-ni, 2nd Battalion held..." Possibly try: "left flank west of Komam-ni, while the 2nd Battalion held..."
 * "On division orders, 5th RCT" (probably need to formally introduce the abbreviation);
 * "Kean then ordered the 5th Regimental Combat Team to take..." (you could use the abbreviation here);
 * in the North Korean consolidation section, probably could add an introductory comma here: "Meanwhile the NK 6th Division was ordered to await reinforcements before" (after "Meanwhile");
 * "The North Koreans realized they presented a weakness in the lines but was unable to acquire men" (I suggest replacing "was" with "were");
 * there is a comma splice here: "The North Koreans at T'ongyong lost about 350 men, the survivors withdrew to Chinju". Perhaps change to: "The North Koreans at T'ongyong lost about 350 men, and later the survivors withdrew to Chinju". AustralianRupert (talk) 09:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked the article to rectify these issues, so I've added my support. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making those fixes! — Ed! (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support on sourcing quality, use and citations Fifelfoo (talk) 11:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Publisher locations, the all or none issue
 * Added them all. — Ed! (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Gugeler, Russell A. (2005) is in sources but not used in citations?
 * Trimmed the source. — Ed! (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So I followed up Gugeler, the goss at the Chronicle of Higher Education is that some people know them for publishing soviet-style texts! It doesn't seem to have been reviewed, but, at the same time it isn't used at all here; I was just following up the name of a press I didn't know.
 * I'll keep that in mind if I use that source again, thanks. — Ed! (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Citations are in format
 * Spotchecked Anderson at fn39, supports claims, no paraphrase
 * You might want to check for hyphens which should be dashes? 3,000-4,000 => 3,000–4,000?
 * Looks like it's been fixed. — Ed! (talk) 14:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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 * Missing word here I think: "For the first month after the defeat of Task Force Smith, 24th Infantry Division was repeatedly...", consider "For the first month after the defeat of Task Force Smith, the 24th Infantry Division was repeatedly..."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Irregular caps here: "the 35th Infantry Regiment encountered 500 North Korean Infantry...", specifically I don't think infantry should be capitalised here.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure about this: "Both North Korean and American armor swarmed to the scene and US Marines aviation...", specifically would this work better as "US Marine aviation..."?
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "On division orders, the 5th Regimental Combat Team (5th RCT) first...", this abbreviation should be introduced earlier at first instance (in the Task Force Kean section).
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Missing word here I think: "A battalion of North Korean troops drove ROK police out of T'ongyong but...", consider "A battalion of North Korean troops drove the ROK police out of T'ongyong but..."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "UN naval forces heavily shelled T'ongyong as three companies of ROK marines from Koje Island made...", specifically should "ROK marines" be capitalised as "ROK Marines"?
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "This was the beginning of a 5-day battle...", IMO this should be "five-day battle" per WP:MOSNUM.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "...fought relentlessly to capture it in a 6-week-long battle...", consider rewording as "six-week battle"?
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "...8 radios, 11 telephones, and 2 vehicles in the process...", should be "...eight radios, 11 telephones, and two vehicles in the process..." per WP:MOSNUM.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "...the 24th Infantry command post was at Haman and Colonel Throckmorton's command post was at Chindong-ni...", specifically "Colonel Throckmorton's" should just be "Throckmorton's" per WP:SURNAME as you have already formally introduced him by rank earlier in the text.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Punctuation missing here I think: "Eighth Army intelligence credited the North Koreans with having moved one or two new divisions and about 20 tanks to the Hyopch'on area on the west side of the Naktong River opposite the US 2nd Division However, the US intelligence overestimated the strength of these divisions."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "It came through Colonel Roberts' 2nd Battalion...", should be reworded as "It came through Roberts' 2nd Battalion..." per WP:SURNAME.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Irregular caps here I think: "US Artillery sent a large...", specifically I don't believe artillery should be capitalised (unless I'm mistaken).
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "That night the North Koreans launched their coordinated offensive...", or "launched a coordinated offensive..."?
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Repetitive: "The ROK troops in the pass left their positions and fell back on G Company south of the pass...", consider "The ROK troops in the pass left their positions and fell back on G Company to the south..."
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "When the North Korean attack broke through the 2nd Battalion, Champney ordered the 1st Battalion...", who is Champney? He needs to be introduced formally with rank and name at first instance per WP:SURNAME.
 * Removed mention of him. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "Fires spread in Haman. Check's infantry moved out in attack west...", who is Check?
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "In the low ground between these two battalions at the river ferry crossing site, Fisher had placed 300 ROK National Police...", who is Fischer?
 * Removed his name. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of the references are missing a place of publishing. Anotherclown (talk) 03:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I think that's everything. — Ed! (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Added my support now. Anotherclown (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


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