Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Bayern-class battleship


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Promoted EyeSerene talk 11:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Bayern class battleship

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)

Finally, the last class of German battleships. This article passed GA review about a week and a half ago, and I think it's pretty close to A-class standards. I look forward to any and all comments and suggestions directed at improving the article, towards an eventual run at FAC. Thanks in advance. Parsecboy (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * One image (the sinking in Scapa Flow one specifically) lacks alt text, please fix this. Nine disambig links are reported in the article, please locate these and if at all possible fix them. No problems were reported with the external links.
 * Machinery section, first paragraph: "However, as with preceding German dreadnoughts, the engines were not ready by the time construction was completed..." Why weren't the engines ready? Might be worth a mention in the article.
 * Suggestion: If you can, see about adding a picture of the ammunition these battleship carried. I have such an image in the article Armament of the Iowa class battleship, it helps give some idea of the size of the shells being discussed. Such an image could improve this articles quality, I think, although I will not hold this against you if you are unable to locate such an image.
 * It sounds from the basic description of the armour protection that we are talking about something similar to the All or nothing armor scheme. Have you explored this angle at all? It may prove to be an interesting aspect of naval history.
 * WikiSource may have a copy of the Versailles Treaty, if so then I would recommend adding a note to the Fate section providing a link to the text of Article 186.
 * Otherwise it looks good. Well done. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added alt text to the image that still needed it, thanks for pointing that out. There is this picture at Navweaps that gives a good size comparison, but it doesn't have any source information. As to the armor, if you look at the lead photo, you can see the main section of the belt stops at the forward barbette, and the reduced thickness goes quite a good deal up to the bow. If you look at a typical all-or-nothing BB, like the KGV], you'll see the armor belt is just the thick portion that covered the section between the forward and rear barbettes. Bayern's armor definitely wasn't anything close to all-or-nothing. I have tracked down Article 186 on Wikisource, and have added it to the article. Thanks, Tom. Parsecboy (talk) 20:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Up to usual standard, can't really see anything to fault. Two suggestions:
 * Bayern's involvement with Operation Albion had come to an abrupt end. seems a bit redundant given the immediately preceding sentences, and over-dramatic compared to the rest of the text.
 * The 'rule' of thumb-size pics appears to have been successfully challenged at FA-level and 250px pics are acceptable; for the images in the body of this article, a larger size certainly seems warranted. However there's also been talk of making the thumb default 250px anyway, so up to you...
 * Well done, as ever. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reviewing the article, Ian. I removed the line as you suggested. I think I'll leave the images at the default thumb size for now. When this eventually goes to FAC, we'll see what happens. Thanks again. Parsecboy (talk) 20:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support
 * Please add in the footnote about the provisional naming of ships under construction you have in all the other ones.
 * Please specify the year of the fleet advance of August 18-19
 * "Along with several 9 light cruisers," Which? Several, or nine? Rather humorous Operation Albion error.


 * Otherwise looks great as usual, time for articles on all the individual ships, or are you doing L 20 α class battleship? – Joe   N  00:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Joe. I've fixed the things you pointed out. I'm afraid I've used up all my sources for the L 20 α design, so until I find something new, that's on the back burner. It's on to the individual ship articles now (and perhaps to SMS Goeben, which would finish out the German BCs). Cheers, Parsecboy (talk) 01:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Alright then. One little note: if you are unable to locate the copyright information for the image you found you may wish to link to it via an external link box; in this manner the public can find your image without you having to add it. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


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