Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Diadumenian

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Diadumenian
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I recently noticed that Diadumenian, depsite being executed at the ripe old age of nine, has been categorized as a level-five vital article. The reason behind this is beyond me, but nonetheless, I decided to try my best to expand it. I think it is ready for A-class now, and I am more than willing to accomodate suggestions and comments. , as the GA nominator, I think you would be interested in seeing how this article progresses. Unlimitedlead (talk) 03:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Article was included in Vital Articles seemingly haphazardly selected from total Roman Emperors in this edit. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  08:17, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Image review - pass

 * "File:Macrino, aureo per diadoumeniano cesare, 217-18, 01.JPG" needs a licence for the original work.
 * Hey, the file on Commons says that the image is an original work. Upon further inspection, it appears that the original photographed coin was overwritten by another user who uploaded a completely different picture. Should I just use a different image where the liscensing is more clear-cut? Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Up to you. But coins need both a licence for the image (the photograph) and for the original work. The latter shouldn't be a problem, it is probably out of copyright . See "Licencing" in File:C. Caecilius Metellus Caprarius, denarius, 125 BC, RRC 269-1.jpg for an example. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  20:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Iazyges for taking care of all that so quickly. I left my house for an hour or so and this is what I come back to. Astounding, truly. Unlimitedlead (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild

 * "Diadumenian was captured en route in Zeugma, and executed in late June." Any information on who captured him or who ordered his execution?
 * I can check other sources but present ones give zero extra details.
 * Unable to find any details.
 * "His mother was Nonia Celsa, whose name may be fictitious." How can a name be fictitious? I don't think that is what you are trying to communicate.
 * Added information that the name may have been invented by the Historia Augusta.
 * And in the main article: "and his possibly fictitious wife Nonia Celsa".


 * "was elevated to caesar". What role, authority and responsibilities did this entail?
 * Added gloss that it basically just meant heir at the time, especially given his age.
 * "a revolt against him". Against him specifically and soley?
 * Fixed.
 * "the praetorian fort at Apamea." What are the distinguishing features of a "praetorian" fort?
 * Source doesn't specify, but I imagine similar to the Castra Praetoria of Rome. I will double check.
 * Unable to find just about any details on this, as well.
 * I would assume that it was either the military capital of a praetorian prefecture or a superior fort maintained by a praetor. If you can't source a meaning I suggest you drop that word.


 * "at the Battle of Antioch, Macrinus fled north to the Bosporus". The Bosporus is not north of Antioch.
 * Clarified that he fled north, and then to the Bosporus.
 * "quickly declared support for Elagabalus, declaring the former emperors". Would it be possible to avoid declared and declaring in the space of five words?
 * Done.
 * "in an attempt to wipe all traces of Diadumenian and his father". "wipe"? Or 'wipe out'?
 * Done.
 * "although less than the amount struck for his father." Coins are discrete → 'fewer then the number ...'
 * Done.

Nice. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * "a relative of Caracalla through his mother, Julia Soaemias, who was Caracalla's cousin." No need to say that he was both a relative of Caracalla and a cousin in the same sentence. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Unlimitedlead (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two outstanding comments above. The second and fifth bullet points. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe all points have been addressed now. Unlimitedlead (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Source review - pass
Sources are all reliable, formatting is acceptable. Suggest standardising the hyphenisation of the ISBNs. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Support by Sturmvogel_66

 * Not much meat on these bones, but what's there is fine
 * Pity we don't have any surviving information about how he was captured...--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

HF
I'll take a look later this week. Hog Farm Talk 02:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly. The article is quite short; hopefully it won't be a major inconvenience for you :) Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - not seeing anything to complain about. Bunson p. 130 apparently claims that the Historia Augusta says Diadumenian was a tyrant, but given that that seems to be the sole source and the HA is largely a load of crap, I think that can be safely ignored. Hog Farm Talk 03:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Diadumenian was a tyrant? At nine? Geez, I didn't realize the HA was that bad. Thanks @Hog Farm for your support. Unlimitedlead (talk) 04:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)