Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/España-class battleship


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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

España-class battleship

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)

Something of a side project for me (and a break for y'all), this article covers the only Spanish dreadnought-type battleships, and the smallest vessels of that type. All three were lost, the first to a rock off Morocco, and the other two during the Spanish Civil War by a mine and an internal explosion, respectively. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Support Comments  (very close to a support) with minor comments:
 * "The construction of the ships, particularly the third vessel, took so long due to shortages of material supplied by Great Britain during World War I, particularly armament." - It wasn't clear at this point in the lead that the construction of the ships had taken a long time, as the previous sentence referred to the construction of the class (each ship might have been constructed in only 12 months, for example, with gaps in between each). How about "The construction of the ships, particularly the third vessel, were significantly delayed due to shortages..."?
 * I guess I took it for granted that ships of any type shouldn't take over a decade to build. Your suggestion seems fine to me.
 * Worth linking Spanish economy?
 * Sure.
 * "seven 15,000 metric tons... battleships " - should this be "ton", as it is an adjective?
 * Yes, good catch.
 * " and three 10,000 t" - three what? Battleships?
 * Funny how your brain shuts off mid-sentence sometimes...
 * "United States with its first ship of the type" - "with its own new battleship, USS South Carolina." or something like that might be clearer (otherwise the two sets of "firsts" can read in a confusing way)
 * Sounds good.
 * "And due to rapid technological change at the time..." - I'd avoid starting a sentence with "And..."
 * See how it reads now.
 * " their freeboard was 4.6 m (15 ft) amidships" - freeboard is already linked above
 * I thought I caught all the duplicates...
 * "The ships reasonably stable compared to foreign designs," - a missing "were"
 * "and were considered cramped and unhygienic." - unless this is strictly an opinion (in which case we would need to say whose it was) you could just say "and were cramped and unhygienic"
 * Good point.
 * " The turbines drove three-bladed screws that were" - "screw propellers" would make it read more easily for the casual reader
 * Fixed.
 * " kept the latter's spotting top free from smoke interference" - it took me two goes to work out what a "spotting top" was.
 * Would a link to spotting top help?
 * "The turrets used hydraulics to operate" - "The turrets were operated by hydraulics"? Hchc2009 (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * How about "turrets were hydraulically operated"? Thanks for your review Hchc2009. Parsecboy (talk) 13:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ping - Hchc, is there anything else that needs to be fixed? Thanks again. Parsecboy (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments Support
 * check ISBN format of 0839361750 it should probably be 978-0-8393-6175-6 or 0-8393-6175-0 MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed, good catch.
 * I think the Wikitable should probably make use of row and col scope; check WP:ACCESS MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll have to get to this later - templates aren't my area of expertise :)
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of that for me! Parsecboy (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Question: Is the name España—Spain so obvious in the English speaking world that it doesn't require a formal introduction or translation? MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably not, unfortunately - added a parenthetical to the lead.
 * "These guns were housed in four twin turrets, arranged with "A" and "Y" on the centerline, the others en echelon on the wings." What are "the others en echelon on the wings" called? "B" and "X"? MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed - see comment below in reply to Sturm.
 * "The Spanish public blamed the disastrous losses in the Spanish-American War of 1898 on the Navy, but recognized the need to modernize and rebuild it." I don't understand the "but" in this sentence. The sentence would make more sense to me if it said "The Spanish public blamed the disastrous losses in the Spanish-American War of 1898 on the Navy, therefore recognized the need to modernize and rebuild it." MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * My sense was that there would be no inclination to "throw good money after bad", especially given the weak Spanish economy. Is there something I could add that would make that clearer? Parsecboy (talk) 15:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Support Comments 
 * Still missing adjective code for the templates in the first paragraph of the development section.
 * Added.
 * I think SECN was formed by the three English companies, not really a conglomerate per se.
 * Good catch, corrected.
 * Link displace, torpedo bulkhead
 * Torpedo bulkhead is already linked in the first para of the armor section, added link to displacement.
 * 12 inches converted multiple times.
 * Removed the second instance.
 * Explain why they were obsolescent before completion.
 * How does the addition of "...due to rapid technological change&mdash;most significantly the rise of the superdreadnought battleships&mdash;and..." work?
 * You first give turret designations as letters, but in the modifications section you refer to them by numbers.
 * Letters removed - I think that was a remnant from the old version of the article.
 * Link the British AA guns used on Jaime I.
 * Missed this one, I think.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed I did - link added now. Parsecboy (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * five years for the second, and seven years for the second. Headspace and timing error, I suspect.
 * Indeed, fixed.
 * Probably best to spell out the state names, and make sure that every book has one, other than New York.
 * Fixed.
 * No commons category for these ships?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's in the notes section.
 * Ooops.
 * If you add |lastauthoramp=1 to the book cite template they will display with the ampersand to match your usage in the notes. Otherwise Nikki will ding you for not having them match. :-( Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Good catch, thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 13:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Images are appropriately licensed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


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