Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Freedom from Fear (painting)


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No consensus to promote at this time. Anotherclown (talk) 11:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Freedom from Fear (painting)

 * Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because I need the expertise of WP:MILHIST in regards to whether secondary sources are referring to Battle of Britain or The Blitz when they talk about the London bombings. There is significant controversy as to whether this article belongs to MILHIST, but without your attention, I will never figure out what the difference between the two articles are. They seem to overlap but not entirely, which is confounding to me. Both of these articles are linked this nominee. I am not sure if either is being referred to correctly or if any other related articles would be appropriate for wikilinkages in this article. I also need some advice in regards to whether there are articles for International reactions to the London Bombings or anything similar. In terms of this painting, I could use some advice on describing what the exact fear as it relates to the London Bombings. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments
 * I don't think it actually falls under our purview because it only tangentially refers to the war.
 * I am willing to accept feedback without support.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That said, I'll weigh in on Tony's questions. The Blitz started during the Battle of Britain, but continued long after the battle was over. It also directly refers to the bombing of civilians in Britain during the war, which was not a feature of the BoB as it was planned. While I haven't checked for actual articles, appropriate links might be strategic bombing or terror bombing. I'm not aware of any articles, or even secondary sources that focus on international reactions to the Blitz or any of the earlier terror bombings like Rotterdam or Warsaw.
 * Can you comment on whether the The Blitz and the Battle of Britain are being linked properly in the article. Among the relevant issues are Rockwell's reference to the "bombing of London".--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The exact fear in the painting? That the family doesn't have to worry about being blown to bits in their beds, the most secure place in their home.
 * Were they afraid of a blitzkrieg or aerial bombing? I.e., are these links that should be used in this article?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Blitzkrieg is a general term, not appropriate to this, despite the British contraction of the term for "the Blitz". Strategic or terror bombing are special cases of aerial bombing and are more appropriate as the subjects.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Nits: Don't capitalize issue in the lede and drop the bit about prominent thinker of the day. I'd rather say that the mother is adjusting the covers, rather than the bedsheet.
 * IIRC you are also from the United States. Maybe regionally there are differences, but to me the sheets are a different thing than the covers. She is adjusting the secondary bed sheet, sometimes known as the flat sheet, rather than the fitted sheet or primary bed sheet that one sleeps on.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The "covers" is a more general term that includes flat sheet, blanket, coverlet, bedspread, etc. in my experience. Everything that rests on the sleeper.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Issue fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:06, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain that there were more than one war bond drive, so watch your phrasings.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Changed to second.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thoughts:


 * "Freedom from Fear is the last of the well-known Four Freedoms oil paintings produced by the American artist Norman Rockwell that were based on the four goals called the Four Freedoms enunciated by the President of the United States Franklin D. Roosevelt in his State of the Union Address delivered on January 6, 1941. " - a long sentence for the lead, worth breaking in half after "Rockwell".
 * Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "The works were inspired by United States President, Franklin D. Roosevelt in a State of the Union Address," - "the United States President"? It also needs a comma after Roosevelt.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "The Blitz was a period of sustained strategic bombing of the United Kingdom by Germany..." The paragraph needs something to explain how this is linked to the painting; the main text hasn't explained the link yet
 * It was mentioned in the WP:LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * " the kids are already asleep." - in Brit English, "kids" would be quite informal, and unencyclopaedic in tone; not sure if this is the same in US English.
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:17, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "all Arlington, Vermont neighbors of Rockwell." - "all neighbors of Rockwell in Arlington, Vermont." might read more smoothly.
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:20, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "Ironically, the day it was published," - why is it ironic?
 * Changed to "coincidentally"--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "that was not newly created." - it was newly created, given the date. Is the point that it had already been produced for a different client?
 * Revised.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * " The Four Freedoms Tour raised over $130,000,000 in war bond sales. Rockwell's Four Freedoms paintings were also reproduced as postage stamps by the United States Post Office." - citation needed for this bit. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:03, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


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