Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/German destroyer Z38


 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article promoted by Cinderella157 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 08:30, 3 December 2017 (UTC) &laquo; Return to A-Class review list

German destroyer Z38

 * Nominator(s): 

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it has passed a GAN, and I believe it meets all of the requirements for A class. Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  16:49, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments by auntieruth

 * What is Project Barbara? Do you mean Operation Barbarossa?  auntieruth (talk) 15:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Project Barbara was a German project to increase the AA capabilities of German ships. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  16:22, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

 Comments : Support - good to go! ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅
 * "the 4th Destroyer Flotilla.[13] In August" - insert para break here.
 * "and Z27.[15] On 22 October" - and here.
 * "and Z38 sail into the" - sailed?
 * "from Tanafjord.[21]On 22 January" - missing space, but do a para instead.
 * "mid-October. In December" - para break.
 * "while still beached.[32] On 8 Novembor" - and here, along with sp.
 * Other than that, not much to report. Reads fine and seems more than detailed enough. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  23:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Comments by AustralianRupert
Support: G'day, I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 05:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC) ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ A radar; I am planning on writing an article for them if I can. Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  23:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * a citation should be added to the paragraph ending "From 28 April to 4 May she helped defend the Dievenow channel of the Oder river."
 * the final paragraph is quite long. I suggest splitting it
 * inconsistent spelling, "draft" v. "draught"
 * there are (albeit slight) inconsistencies in the specs in the infobox v. the body (e.g. "beam of 12 metres (39 ft)" v. "Beam: 12 m (39 ft 4 in; "70,000 shaft horsepower (52,000 kW)" v. "70,000 PS (51,000 kW; 69,000 shp)")"
 * "Z38 was fitted with a FuMO 21 on her bridge...": this needs a bit more clarification I feel. What is a FuMO 21? Is it a radar, or some other sensor?
 * the infobox says 7 x single 2 cm AA guns, but the body of the article says ten


 * I believe that is all your comments.

Comments by Krishna Chaitanya Velaga

 * Lead and infobox;
 * and spent much of her life escorting escorting task forces; please fix the typo
 * or bombarding land forces -> and bombarding land forces; as this has already happened, there is no question of uncertainity
 * Put italics on "Kriegsmarine"
 * Put italics on "Germaniawerft"
 * Prose says the ship was commissioned on 20 March 1943; but infobox says that it was completed on 20 March 1943
 * Kriegsmarine, and German navies in general, usually commissioned on completion date (or else simply considered completion to be automatic commissioning, although bigger, more impressive, ships like battleships were almost always commissioned) and prioritized the "completion" over "commissioning".
 * Section 1;
 * Link waterline, standard load, full load
 * The conversion template is inconsistently used; 6.6 m 4 m ; any specific reason, if not please fix them to be consistent
 * No need conversion for the same count of units on second mention; 15-centimetre (5.9 in)
 * Section 2;
 * Italics on "Germaniawerft"
 * to help escort Lützow; "escort" itself gives the sense of help
 * Inconsistent usage of commas after date mentions; "In August 1943" "On 24 September" "On 22 October," "On 26 December," etc. Please chec this usage in the later paragraphs also
 * A comma needed after "On 25 December"
 * Z33, Z34 and Z38 -> Z33, Z34, and Z38,
 * Put italics on "Duke of York" and specify that it was a Royal Navy vessel
 * Please be consistent on the calling the ship; in some case it is referred as Z38, in some as "she"; "Z35, Z38, and T28 escorted the steamship" "she, Z43 and T28 bombarded these locations"
 * A comma after "Z43 and T28"
 * she was controlled by the German army, rather than the German navy; any reason
 * Germany did little to no research on radar during war, despite entering with the best radars. Because of this, in the late war the Kriegsmarine couldn't function outside of the Baltic without getting obliterated by allied airplanes, so it kept them in the Baltic to provide gunfire support to Army. Because it effectively served as artillery rather than a ship, and army was always considered more important that navy, it was handed over to the army directly.
 * "German army" "German navy"; use German titles for consistency
 * Her German crew members remained
 * where it lay on the beach -> as it was laid on the beach
 * Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 17:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe I have done all you have asked. Do you have any further comments or concerns? Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  20:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support All my concerns have been addressed. Pinging --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 03:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Put italics on "Duke of York" and specify that it was a Royal Navy vessel
 * Please be consistent on the calling the ship; in some case it is referred as Z38, in some as "she"; "Z35, Z38, and T28 escorted the steamship" "she, Z43 and T28 bombarded these locations"
 * A comma after "Z43 and T28"
 * she was controlled by the German army, rather than the German navy; any reason
 * Germany did little to no research on radar during war, despite entering with the best radars. Because of this, in the late war the Kriegsmarine couldn't function outside of the Baltic without getting obliterated by allied airplanes, so it kept them in the Baltic to provide gunfire support to Army. Because it effectively served as artillery rather than a ship, and army was always considered more important that navy, it was handed over to the army directly.
 * "German army" "German navy"; use German titles for consistency
 * Her German crew members remained
 * where it lay on the beach -> as it was laid on the beach
 * Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 17:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe I have done all you have asked. Do you have any further comments or concerns? Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  20:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support All my concerns have been addressed. Pinging --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 03:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Her German crew members remained
 * where it lay on the beach -> as it was laid on the beach
 * Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 17:20, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe I have done all you have asked. Do you have any further comments or concerns? Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  20:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support All my concerns have been addressed. Pinging --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 03:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe I have done all you have asked. Do you have any further comments or concerns? Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  20:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support All my concerns have been addressed. Pinging --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 03:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Image review

 * File:Z39-Zerstoerer1936modA-USN-Photo.jpg; Source checked, appropriately licensed. Image OK. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 17:21, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.