Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Glycerius


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Glycerius
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it has passed as a Good Article and I believe it meets the criteria for A-Class, and it is a part of my series on Roman Emperors. Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  20:47, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

 Comments Support by PM That's me done, great job on this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This article seems to be in good shape. It is brief, but his period of notability was brief and the paucity of sources on him is understandable. I note that I know little about this period, but that conducted a detailed GAN review and is familiar with this period.
 * the use of Latin terms without explanation isn't helpful to the reader. I suggest providing a layman's explanation/translation after comes domesticorum and magister militum, or add notes
 * link interregnum in the lead
 * mention the Visigoths as well as the Ostrogoths in the lead
 * suggest "who instead he nominated"
 * link puppet monarch for puppet emperor
 * "the Visigoth s King"
 * was Vincentius killed by these two individuals personally, or during a battle where the Roman forces were led by them? It reads like it was single combat. If a battle, does it have a name or article and where did it occur, if known?
 * suggest "and transferred diverted them" if that is what is meant?
 * Transferred is more appropriate here, as the Ostrogoths were [nominally] vassals of Rome, so he moved them there. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  01:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * drop initial caps on Simony
 * isbn's should be hyphenated
 * all refs need locations of publication
 * was Vincentius killed by these two individuals personally, or during a battle where the Roman forces were led by them? It reads like it was single combat. If a battle, does it have a name or article and where did it occur, if known?
 * suggest "and transferred diverted them" if that is what is meant?
 * Transferred is more appropriate here, as the Ostrogoths were [nominally] vassals of Rome, so he moved them there. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  01:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * drop initial caps on Simony
 * isbn's should be hyphenated
 * all refs need locations of publication
 * isbn's should be hyphenated
 * all refs need locations of publication
 * all refs need locations of publication


 * Believe I have done all you have asked. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  01:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. Supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Comments Support by Kges1901

 * Source review All sources appear of impeccable reliability, including Mathieson's website.
 * Image review The image is correctly licensed. Not connected to the image review, but can a relevant image be added in body, if possible?
 * Not any images that are especially relevant; maps of the empire near his time either show a much larger empire (Majorian) or no empire (Fall)
 * Are the primary sources that are redlinked individually notable? If not, they can be unlinked.
 * In the lead sentence, is 'Unknown' or something similar before his death date considered acceptable in this area to emphasize that his birth date is not known?
 * and diverted them to Gaul, and diverted an invasion from the Ostrogoths through gifts Suggest rephrasing, repetition of 'and'
 * After his abdication he became Bishop of Salona. He may have had a role in the assassination of Julius Nepos in 480. He died some time after 474, possibly in 480. Suggest combining one of the last three sentences as they are pretty short.
 * who was a puppet emperor controlled first by the Magister militum Ricimer and then by his nephew, the Magister militum Gundobad It may be just me, but it seems unclear that Gundobad was Ricimer's nephew, perhaps rephrase.
 * Fasti vindobonenses should be italicized, I believe
 * Paschale campanum ditto
 * Some historians suggest he was made archbishop of Milan by Odoacer, but this is likely rumor rather than fact Who are 'some historians'? If they are notable they can be attributed in the text.
 * Source does not indicate who "some historians" (source used "some modern writers") is. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Kges1901 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fasti vindobonenses should be italicized, I believe
 * Paschale campanum ditto
 * Some historians suggest he was made archbishop of Milan by Odoacer, but this is likely rumor rather than fact Who are 'some historians'? If they are notable they can be attributed in the text.
 * Source does not indicate who "some historians" (source used "some modern writers") is. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Kges1901 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Source does not indicate who "some historians" (source used "some modern writers") is. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Kges1901 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as all my comments have been addressed. Thanks, Kges1901 (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Support Comments by Gog the Mild
Lead:
 * "Commander of the Protectores". A. Should not be capitalised. B. I am not sure that "Protectores" communicates anything to a reader, or is even an English word.
 * "(Master of Soldiers)". Should not be capitalised.
 * "he repelled the invasion of the Visigoths, who were attempting to invade Italy, and diverted them to Gaul, as well as diverted an invasion from the Ostrogoths through gifts." At the risk of being picky, "he", personally, didn't do these things and arguably had little to do with them. Maybe something like 'during his reign an invasion of the Visigoths was repelled...'?
 * "Glycerius was left without allies, because Gundobad had left to rule the Burgundians". "left" twice in seven words; could one be rephrased?
 * "After his abdication he became Bishop of Salona, which he held until his death". Either 'he was appointed Bishop of Salona, which position he held until his death' or 'he became Bishop of Salona, which he remained until his death'.

Life:
 * "Glycerius was able to repel the invasion of..." See above.
 * "a generally favorable reception from Roman and Byzantine sources". Optional, but IMO 'in' would work better than "from".
 * "Glycerius primarily reigned from Northern Italy". "Northern" should not be capitalised.
 * "as all but one coin found from his reign was minted". 'were minted'.
 * "because he was merely a puppet emperor", Suggestion: '... a puppet for Gundobad'.
 * Did "of" Gundobad. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

References:
 * Personally I dislike the phrase "Primary sources" given that most of them weren't. But it seems to be generally accepted, so that is just a niggle.

Gog the Mild (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Checked several sources which you don't use, none of them add to what is already in the article and none of them contradict what is there.


 * Done. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  03:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "he was made archbishop of Milan by Odoacer, but this is likely rumor rather than fact" Should be 'was likely rumor...'

A little outside the areas I am most familiar with, but this seems to say just about everything there is to say about Glycerius, in context and well written. It uses the available sources about as well as it can without getting off topic. Good work. Support. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


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