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Herennius Etruscus
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it is a part of my Roman and Byzantine Emperors project, and I believe it meets the A-Class standards. Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  23:16, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5

 * Herennius Etruscus was elevated to caesar in 250 --> "Herennius Etruscus was elevated to Caesar in 250, then further raised to augustus" because they're titles? Same in the body?
 * Not sure what the suggestion is here? In some sources its common to say "elevated to [rank]" and "raised to [rank]"; some sources even keep "created [rank]". Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  16:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it was meant to capitalise "Caesar" because it's a title or am I wrong?
 * Titles by themselves are not capitalized. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  01:02, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:22, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * their forces meeting in September 249, near Verona, Italy Unlink Italy because of common term.
 * although Hostilian remained in Rome.[5][4] Re-oder the refs here.
 * Decius and Herennius Etruscus' forces at the Battle of Beroe --> "Decius and Herennius Etruscus's forces at the Battle of Beroe"
 * circumstances of Herennius Etruscus' death are somewhat --> "circumstances of Herennius Etruscus's death are somewhat"
 * was acting as an imperator, rather than a commilito What are imperator and commilito?
 * Decius' death is similarly obscure, although it is agreed upon --> "Decius's death is similarly obscure, although it is agreed upon"
 * else was slain while serving as imperator.[7][1] --> Re-oder the refs here.
 * I see two howevers maybe remove one because it's a short article?
 * after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son --> "after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus's son"
 * I believe the "History" section is too big and should be split into sub-sections.
 * Decius and Herennius Etruscus travelled to repulse the Gothic invasion British travelled.
 * else was slain while serving as imperator.[7][1] --> Re-oder the refs here.
 * I see two howevers maybe remove one because it's a short article?
 * after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son --> "after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus's son"
 * I believe the "History" section is too big and should be split into sub-sections.
 * Decius and Herennius Etruscus travelled to repulse the Gothic invasion British travelled.
 * I believe the "History" section is too big and should be split into sub-sections.
 * Decius and Herennius Etruscus travelled to repulse the Gothic invasion British travelled.
 * Decius and Herennius Etruscus travelled to repulse the Gothic invasion British travelled.


 * Done all. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  16:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * - are you satisfied with Iazyges' responses? Parsecboy (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting for his reply. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Have responded. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  01:02, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Another thing here I don't think ('cause of MOS:OVERLINK) we should link Latin here. It's too common. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 10:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * done. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  19:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. Cheers. 17:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support from Harrias
Nice succinct article, although it did feel in places like details about father and then his successors was being used to pad out a short article. Harrias talk 09:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "He was born in c.227 AD." Space needed before "227". This also applies in the infobox, and the first sentence of the body. Use
 * "caesar", "augustus", "imperator", "commilito" and any other non-English terms should be italicised using, not plain italics, per MOS:LANG.
 * Link vanguard in the lead, and the first use in the body.
 * Link rout in the lead, and the first use in the body.
 * You spell Abritus with a single 't' in the lead, but with a double in the infobox and the body. Pick one version and be consistent.
 * The infobox provides a modern location for Abritus (Razgrad, Bulgaria), but this isn't cited, or included in the body.
 * "who later became Emperor.." then a sentence later "Decius became emperor after" Why is one capitalised, but not the other?
 * "with one column attacking", "with one attacking Philippopolis" Avoid Noun plus -ing.
 * "from sieging Novae" Sounds awkward, maybe "from laying siege to Novae"?
 * Maybe put "(Balkan Mountains)" after "Haemus Mons" for clarity.
 * "Decius and Herennius Etruscus launched a counterattack in spring 251 and was initially successful.." This should be "were", not "was".
 * "..are somewhat vague." No need for "somewhat".
 * "After the news of his death reached Decius, Decius refused.." Reword to avoid repetition of "Decius".
 * "..either from a plague or murder, [1][8]" Remove the space between the comma and the references.
 * "..after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son.." No need for "point".
 * "from sieging Novae" Sounds awkward, maybe "from laying siege to Novae"?
 * Maybe put "(Balkan Mountains)" after "Haemus Mons" for clarity.
 * "Decius and Herennius Etruscus launched a counterattack in spring 251 and was initially successful.." This should be "were", not "was".
 * "..are somewhat vague." No need for "somewhat".
 * "After the news of his death reached Decius, Decius refused.." Reword to avoid repetition of "Decius".
 * "..either from a plague or murder, [1][8]" Remove the space between the comma and the references.
 * "..after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son.." No need for "point".
 * "..are somewhat vague." No need for "somewhat".
 * "After the news of his death reached Decius, Decius refused.." Reword to avoid repetition of "Decius".
 * "..either from a plague or murder, [1][8]" Remove the space between the comma and the references.
 * "..after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son.." No need for "point".
 * "..either from a plague or murder, [1][8]" Remove the space between the comma and the references.
 * "..after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son.." No need for "point".
 * "..after which point Volusianus, Trebonianus Gallus' son.." No need for "point".
 * Done all. I try to avoid padding, but sometimes the neccesary context is a singificant part of the article when it comes to the more obscure classical figures. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  22:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * - can you indicate whether you support promotion at this point? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have made some copy-edits, and am now happy to support this. Harrias  talk 09:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Image review

 * Three images, all appropriately licensed.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Source review

 * All sources are high quality. No spot checks done.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support by PM
Short but seems pretty comprehensive. I have a few comments: That's all I could find. Nice work. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "He was born in c. 227 AD" is unnecessary, as his approx year of birth is in the first sentence
 * suggest "and was also then proclaimed emperor by the Roman Senate"
 * suggest "Herennius Etruscus was killed in the Battle of Abritus the following year"
 * say that the Battle of Battle of Nicopolis was in 250
 * I acknowledge there are images of coins, but could you add a sentence about the coinage on which this chap was represented? Sellars' The Monetary System of the Romans has some info.
 * Sellars' would be potentially useful, but is self-published, therefore failing WP:V. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  09:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * there is a bit of information in Vagi's Coinage and History of the Roman Empire you could add
 * I acknowledge there are images of coins, but could you add a sentence about the coinage on which this chap was represented? Sellars' The Monetary System of the Romans has some info.
 * Sellars' would be potentially useful, but is self-published, therefore failing WP:V. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  09:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * there is a bit of information in Vagi's Coinage and History of the Roman Empire you could add
 * there is a bit of information in Vagi's Coinage and History of the Roman Empire you could add


 * Believe I have done all. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  09:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)