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Kaunas Fortress
Article is GA, undergone further improvements. I hope you will give me a feedback that should be improved further. M.K. (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose for now. very promising but this needs work to get to A-Class quality.
 * Copy: I've done some light copy-editing but this needs a good work-over. Too many awkwardnesses and occasional longwindednesses.
 * World War II: this section seems a bit scrappy and should really be expanded.
 * Post WWII: Separate section? Visitor center, restoration etc.
 * References: these are a bit light. It should be possible to find more stuff (particularly on WWII as there are many holocaust related archives around). Have you tried JSTOR? If not ask at the WP:MHL.
 * -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 08:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. Answers to concerns:
 * Will ask for additional copy edit. (would be great if you could point the worst effected areas)
 * During WWII there wasn't much development apart Ninth fort, which is already mentioned in the article. Will look for additional suitable info, though. Will add some info about Red army garrison during pot-war, as well.
 * Bad idea, those sections will look very small then, as restoration projects are not launched yet. Will add additional info about development of museum, but this may be overlap with Ninth fort article.
 * And the biggest problems are refs, there are simply no much comprehensive works on this subject. Newest publication (which is cited in article) is Arvydas Pociūnas. Kauno tvirtovės ginyba 1915 metais. 2008; also notes lack of research in general. And available data deals with fortress "life" till its fall, rather till present days (which info article needs the most now). Will expand issues with summary why fortress fell rather quickly.M.K. (talk) 10:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Copy: it just needs a general snip and tweak.
 * Size: Why not merge Ninth Fort into this? It is, I notice, completely unreferenced.
 * WWII: I'm sure sources are available. There are several here, for example, dealing with the holocaust in Lithuania/Latvia as well as this listing a bibliography for the Kovno (Kaunas) ghetto and the Holocaust.
 * -- R OGER D AVIES  talk
 * Regarding, merge - I think that separate article for Ninth fort should be preserved (due to its notoriety and general awareness). Of cource this article can be improved.
 * Regarding WWII sources, I did not said that there are no sources about holocaust in Lithuania or about K. ghetto, I just saying that I have trouble for finding comprehensive sources directly linked to fortress, apart that is already in article. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 11:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a source that directly concerns Kaunas fortress. It provides material about the fourth, seventh and ninth forts. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 11:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source, will search additional material for fourth, seventh (ninth is already in article). BTW, maybe you know comprehensive and good WP article about this time frame fortifications as I would like to investigate some technical issues. M.K. (talk) 11:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


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