Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Kragujevac massacre


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Article promoted by AustralianRupert (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 08:06, 7 April 2017 (UTC) &laquo; Return to A-Class review list

Kragujevac massacre

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The Kragujevac massacre was one of the worst German reprisal killings carried out in the German-occupied territory of Serbia during World War II. Like others of its type, it involved the killing of 100 hostages for every German soldier killed by insurgents, and 50 hostages for every wounded German. The victims were rounded up in Kragujevac and the surrounding districts, and included 144 high-school students and their teachers. Some of the senior German officers who ordered the reprisals were tried at the end of the war, with one committing suicide while in custody. This another joint endeavour between 23 editor and I, and recently went through GAN. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:20, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Comments from The Bounder
Excellent article and very little to comment on, but...


 * The aftermath section jumps around chronologically, and while the first para deals with postwar up to 2007, paragraph 3 deals primarily with 1943 and wartime events. Personally I'd run it in the order 3, 4, 2, 1, but I'll leave it to you discretion.
 * The first paragraph of the Legacy section says the park "contains the 30 mass graves", but the previous section says there are over 31 graves. Perhaps "contains 30 of the mass graves"?

Excellent work otherwise. All the best, The Bounder (talk) 21:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

All done. Thanks for taking a look! 23 editor (talk) 19:03, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support from me now. Nice article. – The Bounder (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments by K.e.coffman
More of a question:
 * The photo caption "Franz Böhme was furious when his orders were not carried out" is unclear. Which orders? Why was he furious? I believe this should be clarified or removed.
 * This caption "German public notification announcing the massacre, 21 October 1941" needs clarification as well. I don't think that the Germans would announce "the massacre". What did they announce?

K.e.coffman (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Both captions modified to clarify. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:36, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Harry
Other than those minor points, I'm struggling to find anything to criticise. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  18:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A pronunciation guide to Kragujevac might be helpful
 * "completely strewn with communists" You need a reference right after the quote
 * five of the victims were only 12 years old is editorialising (as abhorrent as slaughtering 12-year-olds is). Perhaps rephrase as "the youngest were 12 years old" (assuming they are the youngest known victims)
 * Thanks for taking a look Harry. Pronunciation guide added, quote closely cited and "only" deleted. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. You've addressed m nitpicks, so I'm more than happy to support. HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  10:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

This is ready for an image review. would you mind having a look? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:German_Soldiers_arresting_in_1941_people_in_Kragujevac.jpg: what is the status of this work in its country of origin?
 * Unclear, despite what the USHMM says, so I've swapped it out with one that is definitely PD. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Territory_Of_The_German_Military_Commander_In_Serbia_1941-44.png: what data source(s) was used to create this map? Nikkimaria (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Just waiting on the map maker for details. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, have now updated the source details following info from the creator. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, looks good. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


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