Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Liberté-class battleship

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Liberté-class battleship
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As a bit of a break from the German warships I've been doing lately, here's another French one. These ships had interesting careers; the first one blew up in 1911 and the other three saw action in World War I and two of them got involved in the Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War in 1919. Thanks to everyone who reviews the article. Parsecboy (talk) 12:32, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5
Happy to see you again Nate. I hope you had a great holiday. :]
 * It was pretty good - my wife ran the Chicago Marathon on Sunday
 * Great to hear, my holiday would start from 26 to 30 October. We're going to Paris in la France.

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * In 1916, the ships were sent to Greece to put pressure Pipe Greece to the Kingdom of Greece.
 * Done
 * were sent to the Black Sea to monitor German forces Pipe German to the German Empire.
 * Done, but linked in the first para instead
 * were sold for scrap in 1921 and broken up in Italy Pipe Italy to the Kingdom of Italy.
 * Done
 * in the Fleet Law of 1900, which called for No link for the Fleet Law of 1900?
 * No, unfortunately - articles on the French Navy are poorly developed at this point (hopefully we'll fix that eventually!)
 * The law was a reaction to the German 1898 Naval Law Pipe German to the German Empire.
 * Done
 * battleship displacing 13,600 metric tons (13,400 long tons) Link for both tonnes?
 * Done
 * Link full load.
 * Done
 * the arrangement proved to have several problems --> "proved to have several problems one of them was the conning tower was"?
 * I'm not sure I follow your suggested wording
 * their crews were increased to 44 officers and 765 enlisted men to include an admiral's staff Why were they increased?
 * The admiral's staff
 * with six electric generators; two 500-amp generators Shouldn't it be "with six electric generators; two 500-ampere generators"
 * I suppose on first usage, yeah
 * It extended from .5 m (1 ft 8 in) below Americanised ".5 m" usage.
 * Fixed
 * with a 216 mm (8.5 in)-thick rear wall Remove hyphen.
 * Done
 * tube that was 200 mm-thick protected Same as above.
 * Done
 * in the western Mediterranean and Atlantic Link Mediterranean.
 * Done
 * the battleships of the fleet withdrew to Corfu and Malta Island or the Crown Colony of Malta?
 * Eventually I'll fix these beforehand, like the ".0"s and "0 in"s ;)
 * At the outbreak of war in August 1914 Pipe "outbreak of war" to WWI.
 * Linked directly
 * Dardanelles Division fighting in the last stages of the Gallipoli Campaign --> "Dardanelles Division fighting in the last stages of the Gallipoli campaign"
 * Done
 * Capitalise and link "Greek army"
 * Done
 * were sent into the Black Sea to oversee the demilitarization of Russian warships To where?
 * Jordan & Dumas aren't specific, unfortunately - presumably Sevastopol, though I know the Germans seized RUSSIAN BATTLESHIP Imperator Aleksandr III in Novorossiysk (though the Brits took control of her, not the French - the point being there were other ports with Russian warships.
 * including visits to Spain, Monaco, and Italy Pipe Italy to the Kingdom of Italy.
 * Done
 * Thanks CPA. Parsecboy (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, mate. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:11, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by PM
This article is in great shape. I have some comments: That's all I could find. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * suggest "The Liberté class consisted of four pre-dreadnought battleships"
 * Works for me
 * suggest "In 1909, Liberté, Justice, and Vérité visited the United States" as "three of the ships" is redundant
 * Done
 * suggest "Vérité was briefly deployed to the Dardanelles in September 1914" if that is right?
 * Yep
 * "where it they saw little activity"
 * Fixed
 * link Toulon
 * Done
 * Body
 * suggest "France's primary enemy"→"France's principal potential opponent" as they weren't exactly enemies, just potential ones
 * Fair enough, but I wager if you asked your average Frenchman in 1913 who their enemy was...
 * lk=on for the first displacement conversion in the Design section
 * It is linked in the second para
 * "draft was limited at to 8.4 m (28 ft)"
 * Done
 * you could put lk=on for the displacement in the infobox
 * Done
 * suggest putting a note in the infobox about the variation in boilers for Justice
 * Done
 * suggest adding the range to the infobox
 * Done
 * where were the secondary guns located?
 * Added a description
 * "their propellant charges before ammunition"?
 * The turrets had a storage capacity of 12 shells and their associated propellant charges (each divided into three bagged charges) - does adding a comma at "...charges, before..." make it clearer?
 * I take it all the tertiary battery guns were in open mounts in the superstructure? Is there any information about their location that could be added?
 * Added details on this
 * suggest putting the lower belt range in the infobox
 * Added
 * is there a link for cemented steel?
 * There is, and it's there
 * "metropolitan France"→"Metropolitan France" and link
 * Done
 * no damage from the collision between Justice and Démocratie?
 * Added a bit on that
 * Thanks PM. Parsecboy (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Source review

 * Add ampersands to multi-author works to match those in the refs
 * Done
 * Why is Alger important for Wells?
 * Don't know that he is, but I figure if I have the editor, I'll add the info, seeing as it doesn't hurt
 * I don't agree, but not going to fuss about it.
 * Footnotes are properly formatted
 * References otherwise properly formatted
 * References are from RS authors and publishers--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:52, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 17:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Image review - pass

 * "File:Liberté class battleship diagrams Brasseys 1906.jpg" needs a US PD tag.
 * Added
 * Alt text?
 * Maybe left justify the image of Justice?
 * There's not room to do that (at least not on the size monitors I have access to) but I can move the one below to the left side.
 * That works for me. Thanks.

Parsecboy (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC) Gog the Mild (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Passing. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Comments by AustralianRupert
Support: G'day, Nate, nice work. Not a lot stood out to me for A-class. I have a few minor comments/suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 01:55, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * there are no dab or duplicate links (no action required)
 * ext links all work (no action required)
 * everything in the infobox is mentioned and referenced in the body (no action required)
 * in the lead, Liberté was destroyed by an accidental explosion of unstable propellant charges in 1911 -- maybe mention this happened in Toulon here, as it is implied in the last paragraph of the lead
 * Good idea
 * Though earlier French battleships had carried a mix of several types of shells, including armor-piercing (APC), semi-armor-piercing (SAPC), cast iron, high-explosive, and shrapnel shells, the Libertés standardized on a load-out of just APC and SAPC shells --> "Though earlier French battleships had carried a mix of several types of shells, including armor-piercing (APC), semi-armor-piercing (SAPC), cast iron, high-explosive, and shrapnel shells, the Libertés standardized on a load-out of just APC and SAPC shells"
 * Done
 * Early on 25 September, Liberté was destroyed by an accidental magazine explosion that killed nearly three hundred of her crew. --> "Early on 25 September, while at Toulon, Liberté was destroyed by an accidental magazine explosion that killed nearly three hundred of her crew"?
 * Works for me
 * followed, and in later August --> "followed, and later that month"?
 * Done
 * 2nd Squadron ships then were --> "2nd Squadron ships were then"
 * Done
 * Justice was involved in a mutiny of war-weary sailors in April 1919 --> "Justice's war weary crew were involved in a mutiny in April 1919"?
 * Works for me
 * in the References, is there an ISSN or OCLC for the Wells source (United States Naval Institute Proceedings)?
 * Added an ISSN
 * in the References, is there an ISSN or OCLC for the Windsor source (Popular Mechanics)?
 * Added an OCLC. Thanks AR. Parsecboy (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, great work as usual. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:27, 5 November 2019 (UTC)