Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (Sa–Schr)


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Article promoted MilHistBot (talk) 09:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Knight&

 * Nominator(s): MisterBee1966 (talk)

I am nominating this article for A-Class review because all the lists are finally complete. Reviewers please consider reviewing the "Sch" list as well. These two lists now complete the entire series. Due to size, I tried to split the list in two parts of equal size. The best way to achieve this was by extracting all those whose last name starts with "Sch", thus creating a list "S'" (note the apostrophe denoting a derivative of the letter S). Reviewers may feel that a different name is more appropriate, or that different split all together would also achieve the objective. I am open to suggestions. Thanks again to all of you who have helped bring this series to this state. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment: FWIW, I read over the article per new standard disclaimer copyediting disclaimer, and didn't see anything to fix in the text. Gratz on getting to the end of this long, long series of lists. It's an important project. - Dank (push to talk) 03:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I just saw the name change ... I don't think that's going to get through FAC, not many Americans will know what "S less Sch" means, and if you use more words to make it clearer, then people may object to the wordier title. Is there any chance you can either put all the Ss in one list or divide it up Sa–Schr and Schu–Sz? - Dank (push to talk) 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

 Comments Support from Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC) This is my 11th review of lists in this series, and all of the comments I have made during those reviews have already been addressed in this list. I suggest that this list be renamed "List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (S less Sch) to make it clear Sch is what is not included.
 * I am supportive, I will make the change once the reviewers here have agreed to this suggestion. I want to avoid changing the article name more than once. Thanks again for your time. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

There are few of my usual nitpicks about citations and notes...

Needs a citation for their rank, currently just have a note:
 * Günter Sattler
 * Konrad Sauer
 * Georg Seelmann
 * Alfred Seiler
 * Josef Senft
 * Otto Seyd
 * Rudolf Siegel
 * Hans-Carl Sievert
 * Wolfgang Späte
 * Ernst Stäudle
 * Gerhard Stein
 * Heinz-Eberhard Freiherr von Steinaecker
 * Hans Steinwachs
 * Gottwald Stier
 * Helmut Störchel
 * Egon Stoll-Berberich
 * Gustav Strauß
 * Bruno Streckenbach
 * Heinz Strüning
 * Adolf Stück
 * Wolff von Stutterheim
 * Rudolf Sürig
 * Kurt Sunkel
 * my bad, all addressed, thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Needs a citation for their date of award, currently just have a note:
 * Heinrich Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein
 * Bernhard-Georg von Seebeck
 * August Seidensticker
 * Horst Sieber
 * Günther Sitter
 * Willi Sölter
 * Karl-Heinz Stahnke
 * Heinrich Strobl
 * my bad, all addressed, thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

No citation or note for date of award:
 * Ernst Sieler
 * my bad, addressed, thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Images: I'm not sure about File:Dietrich von Saucken.jpg Why is this image free? You might like to ask Nikkimaria for a view.
 * removed MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

My review is complete.
 * Congratulations on a quite incredible achievement! A top effort. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Comments: congratulations on finishing the topic. I have a couple of suggestions, mainly focusing on the notes: AustralianRupert (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * the way this is worded, it sounds like original research: "And Kment can't be the source, since Buch stated that Kment died in the early 1970s. If indeed Kment would have been the source then von Seemen would have listed Sailer in either the first or second edition of his book, which isn't the case". Is there a way that it can be reworded to attribute the opinions so it doesn't sound like original research?
 * addressed MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * watch out for contractions, for instance "can't", "isn't", "doesn't" and "hadn't"
 * addressed MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "this as an Dietrich award" --> "this as a Dietrich award"
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Deffered, because..." --> should this be "Deferred, because"?
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried to fix this, but I wasn't quite sure what was meant (there are a couple of typos, I think): "Scherzer does not confirm this entry but states that the WWaiting for announced statementW is noted instead"
 * addressed MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "This nomination does no longer exist"; this would be tigher/smoother probably as "This nomination no longer exists"
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "he hadn't to do anything with this case" --> this would probably be smoother as "Buch reported on 25 June 2004 that he had not had anything to do with this case"
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "norwegian" --> "Norwegian"?
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "honorable" --> "honourable" if using British English (which I think you are using given I saw Labour etc.)
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "posthumous recognition" appears to be overlinked according to the duplicate link checker tool
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "all honors" --> "all honours" if using British English. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * done MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thorough check. I believe to have addressed all your comments. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've added my support now. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

As suggested by Peacemaker67 I renamed the article to "List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (S less Sch)". MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there anything I can do to further improve the article? MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, as I mentioned, "less" probably isn't the way to go. This list isn't in BritEng ("authorize"), and outside of BritEng, "less" isn't usually a preposition (except in old-fashioned and technical contexts). The bigger problem is: are there any other lists on the English Wikipedia, or in any English-language encyclopedia, that contain all the X's but none of the Xy's in a list (where X is any letter and y is any letter other than a or z)? Maybe not. - Dank (push to talk) 16:35, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, this is exactly the situation I tried to avoid and therefore had raised this issue at the start of the review. I have no strong opinion on how the two lists get split. If the reviews feel a Sa–Schr and Schu–Sz is a better choice, let's go for it. MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:34, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I followed the suggestion made by Dank and regrouped the list accordingly. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 11:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Support Comments 
 * A couple of minor quibbles: stellvertretender Befehlshaber der Aufklärungs-Streitkräfte und Führer der Kriegschiffgruppe 3 (Zielhafen Bergen)—deputy commander of the reconnaissance forces and leader of the warship group 3 (destination Bergen) Put parentheses around the translation to match the other translated terms.
 * Manfred Dörr was given insight into Sailer's pay book Suggest that this be rephrased as "Dörr was allowed access to" or "Dörr examined" or similar.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I've addressed both of these points on behalf of MB, listing for closure in 24 hours. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Works for me.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Support - another one of your excellent lists. I found nothing to nitpick. Parsecboy (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


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