Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Manchester Cenotaph


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Article promoted by AustralianRupert (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2017 (UTC) &laquo; Return to A-Class review list

Manchester Cenotaph

 * Nominator(s): 

After a bit of a hiatus due to real life, I'm back with another war memorial. This one is among the higher-hanging fruit: being the main memorial in a major city and one of Lutyens' larger and more famous works, it's well covered in the sources so the article is chunkier than some of my previous nominations. I owe many thanks to and  for their help with the article so far and would be very grateful for any more help to take this to FAC. Thank you, HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  17:31, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Support I reviewed this closely at GAN in July, and couldn't find anything substantive that needed fixing then. It hasn't changed since that review. I believe it meets the A-Class criteria. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:20, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

 Comments Support - close to a support.
 * " in St Peter's Square in the centre of Manchester, England" - I reckon this could just be " in St Peter's Square, Manchester, England" which would read more smoothly as well.
 * I took out "in the centre of" but I don't like long lists of locations separated by commas.
 * "whose three sons died in the war" - "had died in the war" might be more natural here, given the surrounding chronology
 * Done.
 * "provide hospital beds" - this could mean literally "purchasing beds for a hospital" or "funding places in a hospital"; not sure which is meant
 * I thought the same thing myself but the sources don't specify; my guess would be the latter, but that could include providing the actual beds.
 * "In 2015, Historic England recognised Lutyens' war memorials as a national collection and all were listed, had their listing upgraded or their list entries expanded." - is there any way that this sentence can be made specific to the Manchester Cenotaph?
 * Manchester is part of the collection but wasn't one of the memorials upgraded. I could stick in "including Manchester" somewhere but there's not much I can think of beyond that.
 * "In 2015, Historic England recognised the Manchester Cenotaph as part of a national collection of Lutyens' war memorials."? Hchc2009 (talk) 19:18, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Or "The memorial is protected under UK law as a grade II* listed structure, and forms part of a national collection of Lutyens' war memorials."? Hchc2009 (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How's this? HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  16:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Definitely better. I'd question if you really need the second sentence in the lead though - it isn't directly saying much about this particular memorial. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've snipped it from the lead. HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  21:48, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Albert Square, supported by the Royal British Legion in a letter to the city council dated 11 April 1923" - is the date and fact of the letter critical here? (e.g. could this just be "Albert Square, supported by the Royal British Legion"?)
 * I suppose not. Done.
 * "Lutyens, described by Historic England as "the leading English architect of his generation" - comma after generation?
 * Done.
 * "at a cost of £6,940 (1924)." - unclear why most of the costs are just given in plain, whereas this has a date beside it.
 * I wanted to give some context to the figure, but there's a date in the next sentence so I've taken that one out.
 * "According to Tim Skelton, author of Lutyens and the Great War (2008)," - could this just be "According to the historian Tim Skelton,"? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:42, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it's worth mentioning that he's written a book specifically on this subject, which makes him more qualified to comment than most. HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  19:00, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Dank

 * "The city council was considering building an art gallery on the open space left after the old infirmary was demolished in Piccadilly and siting the memorial in front of it was supported by the Art Gallery Committee": Break it into two sentences.
 * Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. Well done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 22:48, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dan. I reinstated the link you removed to entasis because that's an important feature, and I've split that sentence. Very much appreciate you having a look. HJ Mitchell  &#124; Penny for your thoughts?  03:17, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Image review
I checked images and licensing seems appropriate (all self-published).

FWIW I also ran my eye over the lead and could find nothing worth altering, always a good sign IMHO... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


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