Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Mato Dukovac


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Article promoted by MisterBee1966 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC) &laquo; Return to A-Class review list

Mato Dukovac

 * Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me)

Dukovac was the highest scoring Croatian fighter pilot of WWII, scoring 44 victories while flying for the Croatian Air Force Legion of the Luftwaffe. He also flew for the Royal Yugoslav Air Force, Independent State of Croatia Air Force and Tito's Partisan Air Force. After the war he flew for the Syrian Air Force during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:20, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Comments: As always, feel free to revert. I've copyedited down to First victory and skimmed the rest, and I don't think prose issues will be a problem at WP:FAC. If you take the article there, I'll be happy to support on prose and copyedit the rest (eventually). - Dank (push to talk) 00:19, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, as always, Dan. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:23, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Support Comments: Overall, it looks quite good. I have a few suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 10:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC) Image review Hi, I have changed the first one over to non-free biog-pic and added a note to the NFR regarding the search for a free image, and have replaced the second image, as its US PD status was highly questionable. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Dukovac served with the 2nd Squadron of the Royal Yugoslav Air Force..." do we know if Dukovac saw any combat before Yugoslavia capitulated?
 * "Dukovac became a member of the armed forces of the newly created Independent State of Croatia": do we know what his motivation was for joining the armed forces of a nation that was essentially the ally of his former "enemy"?
 * "the pilots were advised that the HZL had been disbanded. In August they were moved to an airfield in East Prussia, where they took delivery of ten Bf 109G-14s...": if the HZL was disbanded, were the pilots transferred to some other organization to keep flying as the second sentence implies?
 * "On 20 September 1944, Dukovac and another pilot defected to the Soviets": do we know why? Did he ever say why?
 * G'day, PM, not sure if you've seen these comments or not. Can you please let me know how you're getting on with them? Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, sorry mate, got distracted... Will get onto these in the next day or so. Cheers for the reminder. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:01, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * the answers to your questions are a. the sources don't say, but I've checked the source that would say and he doesn't rate a mention, so probably not, b. no (but it's complicated, he was a Croat, and the Croats didn't like the set-up of Yugoslavia, as it favoured the Serbs. The Croats quickly welcomed the Axis invaders and a fascist mob set-up a puppet state with genocidal anti-Serb policies), c. That was a major error, didn't reflect the situation properly, I've edited it, hopefully it makes sense now, and d. no, none of the sources say why, although I guess he wanted to be on the side of the winners, and was probably aware that he'd be welcomed and sent back to Yugoslavia to serve with the Partisans... Thanks for the review, sorry it has taken so long to get back to you, but I needed to get a hold of one of the sources again to check it, plus I got distracted having a go at some admin stuff (boys and new toys...;-). Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:16, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries, it's all good. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:17, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * File:Mato_Dukovac_with_aircraft.jpg: suggest using non-free biog-pic, and what steps were taken to try to determine copyright status or original source?
 * File:Messerschmitt_Me109G.jpg: the given copyright tag is not the correct one for anonymous photos. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Support -- I reviewed, copyedited and passed at GAN and, having reviewed changes since then, I think it meets the A-Class criteria as well. cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - some minor cmts:
 * No dabs, images have alt text, external links work, no duplicate links, no issues with ref consolidation acc to the citation tool, earwig tool reveals no issues with copyright violation or close paraphrase
 * "He graduated on 1 April 1940 with the rank of potporučnik..." is it possible to get a translation / US or British Commonwealth equivalent for this rank (and his subsequent other ranks)?
 * "On 20 September 1944, Dukovac and another pilot defected to the Soviets after taking off from Labjau airfield..." Do any of the sources cover his motivation for doing this? It might be relevant to include if there is something available.
 * "...defected again, this time to Italy." As above re motivation.
 * Prose looks good to me and I couldn't see any issues after a read through. Anotherclown (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * G'day Ac, thanks for the review. Per my comments to Rupert, there isn't anything specific about his defections, although the last one to Italy may have been caused by the barbs about having served with the ZNDH and Luftwaffe. I assume he wanted to be on the winning side and/or keep flying, but there isn't anything definitive in the sources I have. I've added notes about the rank equivalents. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:57, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


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