Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Michael Walker, Baron Walker of Aldringham


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Michael Walker, Baron Walker of Aldringham

 * Nominator(s): HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?

Another Chief of the Genral Staff (and later Chief of the Defence Staff)—Mike Jackson's immediate predecessor, in fact. There's not quite as much written about Walker as there is about Jackson and Jackson's successor (who will make his way here sometime in the next few weeks), but I think this is the best account of his career we're going to get short of an autobiogrpahy or an obituary. I'm not 100% sure it's detailed enough, but I'd welcome comments, pro or con. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Support
 * Yep, perhaps not as detailed as one would like, so I might not take it FAC as is, but there's enough meat there for A-Class IMO.
 * I'm guessing there's no free images of him apart from the lead, but I wonder if there's any free images relating to actions he was involved in -- might be reasonable to add as context.
 * I'll see what I can find. I'll also go through Flickr to see if anyone there has any photos of him that I can beg thjem to release.
 * Be nice to see if there's anything about him in books as opposed to simply the Gazette and news/web reports, but I have no prob with the article from a verifiability perspective.
 * I've not been able to find naything more than a passing mention
 * Now to prose:
 * Performed my usual copyedit -- there were a few sentences that were a bit repetitive in structure, and some that were too long I think -- but feel free to revert if I've unintentionally altered any meaning.
 * Thanks very much
 * ...took command of 20th Armoured Brigade in Germany before becoming chief of staff to I Corps -- I think you're COS to a commander but COS of or in a unit.
 * Fair enough, I'll ammend that
 * Do we know when he was married? I often find things like that in Who's Who -- that might give you a few other tidbits as well, or at least more precise dates of things, e.g. the first tour in Northern Ireland.
 * I don't have access to Who's Who. I'm hoping they'll get these Credo accounts sorted soon, because I think there are various dictionaries of national biography in there. I'll se if I can find anyone who has it (do you?).
 * I certainly have access to the international Who's Who at the Mitchell Library -- I expect he'd be in that as a former CDS. Failing that I think we have the ODNB there, though not sure what year it goes up to. See what I can find next week, anyway. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, I did a GA review for someone with access a while back and they kindly emailed me his entry. I've got things like his year of marriage, but it doesn't have details on his early tours of duty (just "regimental and staff duties" for the first 15 years of his career!). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, that sort of all-embracing throw-away phrase is unfortunately common in these mini-bios. Anyway, saves me some investigative work... ;-) Just for completeness, though, did you say it had his date of marriage? I don't actually see it in the article yet... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:24, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dea, added. Well, I got the year anyway. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * All up though, this looks like good work -- well done! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Makes a change for the shoe to be on the other foot. ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

 Oppose  Support
 * Early life when was he born?
 * It's in the lead.
 * The lede should be a summary of the article it needs to be in the early life section and cited.
 * No, it doesn't. I never include it anywhere other than the lead, including in a very recent featured article. If it's not a requirement for FAC, it's not a requirement for A-class.
 * Nothing about where he was educated other than to say he was, presumably if he taught at a school he must have attended a university?
 * Not necessarily. It seems likely, but this was nigh on 50 years ago
 * Apparently not. Who's Who makes no mention of university (apart from a couple of honorary degrees)
 * married to Victoria (Tor) - is Tor her maiden name?
 * No, it's an abbreviation of Victoria
 * R ANGLIAN - should be lower case and written out in full Royal Anglian Regiment
 * Removed (a legacy of the state the article was in before I expnaded it)
 * rejoined 1st Battalion, R ANGLIAN to become a company commander - sounds like he had a choice and only accepted if given the appointment
 * I'm not sure about that, but if you have a suggestion for rewording, I'm all ears
 * In command of the 1st Battalion - when was he given command and 1st Battalion of what
 * Regiment is mentioned a few lines above.
 * The 2nd Infantry Division did not serve in the Gulf War so who did Walker serve with and it needs a cite
 * If he was knighted should he not be titled General Sir Michael John Dawson Walker, Baron Walker of Aldringham ?
 * No, because he's a peer. He's General Lord Walker as opposed to General Sir Michael
 * What is COMARRC and IFOR - I can work them out but the should be linked or written in full at first use
 * Both abbreviations (Commander, Allied Rapid Reaction Corps and Implimentation Force) are given above.
 * Eastern District needs disambiguated
 * dab'd to Eastern Command (United Kingdom).
 * was awarded the American Legion of Merit (Degree of Commander), and granted unrestricted permission - by who and why was permission needed. Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Becaue it's a foreign decoration. Will get to your other points when I can. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Becaue it's a foreign decoration. Will get to your other points when I can. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You can use this link to expand his later life Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He is in the category Category:Old Grovians for people who attended Woodhouse Grove School there is also this link where he hosted a dinner for thme - you could contact the school see if he is listed anywhere as having attended Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Found it in Who's Who. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Much obliged to you for your support. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - overall this seems very good to me, only a few minor points:
 * I have made a few changes using the Advisor script and reworded the lead slightly;
 * FYI, your script change the title of a reference, which should generally be left un-copy-edited.
 * The citation check tool reveals one error (" " - error is "Multiple references contain the same content");
 * Not a toll I'm familiar with. Could you explain?
 * The abbreviation NATO should be formally introduced before its used (i.e. written in full at first use). Anotherclown (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Normally, you would be right. However, the organisation is much better known by the acronym than it is by its full name (hence, its article is at NATO and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is a redirect), so giving the full name doesn't help the reader's understanding. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


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