Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/No. 79 Squadron RAAF


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Promoted EyeSerene talk 09:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

No. 79 Squadron RAAF

 * Nominator(s): Nick-D (talk)

This article on a Royal Australian Air Force squadron with a fairly convoluted history was assessed as being a GA in January. Since then I have further expanded it, and think that it may now meet the A class criteria. Please note that there isn't any dedicated book on the history of this unit (other than a self-published account of its World War II service), so the article is sourced from a number of references - despite this, I think that the account here is comprehensive. Nick-D (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Support
 * Explain or link Permanent Air Force and Air Force Reserve for readers unfamiliar with the RAAF.
 * Done
 * Did the strength of the squadron in Thailand ever exceed 8?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it was a detachment of the RAAF force in Malaysia and aircraft were rotated between the two countries - I've clarified this in the article. Nick-D (talk) 05:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Technical review
 * No dab links.
 * External link to NAA gives a warning but works fine from article.
 * Fixed a couple of alt text issues -- no further action req'd. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that Ian Nick-D (talk) 09:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Support -- Nice work as usual, Nick; made my usual minor copyedit but generally prose, structure, detail, images, and referencing look sound; couple of minor things:
 * Support Comments: Not much as it looks quite good to me:
 * the images appear appropriately licenced (no action required);
 * in the World War II section, "reequipped". Should this be "re-equipped"? The Macquarie Dictionary I have on my desk supports the latter;
 * in the Cold War section, "reestablished". Should this be "re-established"? The Macquarie Dictionary supports the latter;
 * in the Cold War section, "reequipped". Should this be "re-equipped"? As above;
 * in the Current status section, "reestablished". As above. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm with you, Rupert -- think I changed them in my ce but will go back and check all occurrences... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Ian, yes I believe you have gotten them all. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The squadron has been formed on four occasions since it was first established in 1943... --"First established" (or "first formed") always sounds a tautology to me (like "new initiative"). How about The squadron has been reformed on three occasions since it was established in 1943...?
 * Changed to "The squadron has been formed on four occasions since 1943" Nick-D (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it needs to be clearer that the 8 Sabres from 77SQN were used for the reformed 79SQN at Ubon (via Singapore); at the moment the uninitiated can assume a connection but it's not explicit. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Tweaked to "This force was designated No. 79 Squadron while at Tengah Air Base in Singapore on 29 May". Nick-D (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Those work for me, mate -- when can we expect 75SQN at GAR/ACR...? ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:17, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not long - it's on my to-do list (I just need to remember to print a copy of it off and fix up grammatical problems). Nick-D (talk) 09:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Support. - Dank (push to talk) 15:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC) Support. I have a small problem with The squadron was reformed... due to the ambiguity of "reform" which might mean "form again", or perhaps "remake in a more suitable form, to remedy previous defects". Rumiton (talk) 16:12, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There was very little to fix. A few judgment calls I didn't make: - Dank (push to talk)
 * "initial jet aircraft training to new RAAF pilots": I think I'd prefer the word you use in the last section, "introductory", to "initial", because "initial" can be misinterpreted as redundant to "jet aircraft training to new RAAF pilots".
 * Done
 * "as a result of wounds": That's not wrong, but I recommend "from wounds", and there's a little more to this than simply reducing 4 words to 1; there's something of a trend in formal English to replace some phrases that are synonyms of "because" with prepositions.
 * Done (the few words per sentence the better in my view!).
 * "In exchange" usually feels wry and metaphorical to me when used to describe trading casualties; it's not wrong, but it's just a little more "clever" than the context supports, I think.
 * Fair enough; I've replaced this with a 'however'
 * "later further improved": I think I prefer "later improved".
 * I think that the current wording is OK - the issue is that living conditions were improved from a low standard and then later made even better.
 * "The squadron was equipped with 12 Mirage III fighters that had previously been operated by No. 3 Squadron, and a single DHC-4 Caribou transport." There are exceptions, but see WP:MHCL; more often than not, a sentence is a little easier to read if you put the complex element in the series last: *"The squadron was equipped with a single DHC-4 Caribou transport and 12 Mirage III fighters that had previously been operated by No. 3 Squadron."
 * Given that the squadron was formed to operate the Mirages and the Caribou was assigned to it for administrative-type reasons, it seems best to lead with the Mirages.
 * "South East Asia": I'm not sure; check the hyphenation on this. (It's "Southeast Asia" in AmEng.) - Dank (push to talk) 15:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Changed to Southeast Asia (which is what the Australian official history uses, so is presumably common usage here as well). Thanks a lot for the comments. Nick-D (talk) 09:44, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. - Dank (push to talk) 13:18, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good call; someone might want to check Macquarie's for "re-formed", but rewording would be safe. - Dank (push to talk) 19:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * the Macquarie dictionary supports "re-formed" here. I have made the edit, but if any one feels strongly it could probably just be reworded. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that Rumiton, Dank and Rupert. Nick-D (talk) 07:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


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