Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/SMS Friedrich Carl

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SMS Friedrich Carl
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Another German warship article for your consideration - this one had a relatively uneventful career, up until it ran into a Russian minefield in October 1914. Luckily for the crew, she remained afloat long enough for most of them to be evacuated. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 17:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by PM
This article is in fine shape. I have a few comments: That's all I have. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * suggest "which incorporated a more powerful armament and more comprehensive armor protection"→"but with less powerful armament and reduced armor protection"
 * I guess that wasn't clear - it was the Prinz Adalberts that were more powerful, not Prinz Heinrich
 * the length, beam and draft conversion specificity in the infobox is a bit OTT, and they don't match
 * Yeah, I don't know how, when, or why those extra sigfigs got added...
 * need the number of shafts in the body
 * Done
 * the power figure in the infobox isn't actually in the body or cited, same with the trial speed
 * Fixed - better to use rated speed/power in the box, IMO
 * suggest "and yielded"→"to yield"
 * Works for me
 * knots in full and linked at first mention in the body
 * Good catch
 * 5.91 also seems overly specific, as does 3.46 in
 * Fixed
 * none of the armor figures match between body and infobox
 * Fixed
 * comma after "Naples, Italy"
 * Done
 * link Kiel
 * Done
 * did the collision with HMS Prince George cause any damage?
 * Not that Hildebrand et. al. report
 * suggest "During the cruise, Schmidt transferred to Prinz Heinrich while Friedrich Carl was abroad "
 * Good idea
 * suggest "before the new armored cruiser Roon" if that is correct, just to make it clear she was being replaced by a newer ship
 * Done
 * does the source provided a first name for FK Loesch?
 * No, unfortunately, and he didn't make flag rank either
 * do the source state what type of seaplanes she took aboard?
 * No, and though the capability of the ship to carry seaplanes is fairly widely covered, the specific type of aircraft embarked is not
 * the In media section needs a citation
 * I can't find anything on it, so I'll just cut it
 * the sources are all of high quality and reliable, and there are no formatting issues.
 * Thanks PM. Parsecboy (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Image review


 * File:The_people's_war_book;_history,_cyclopaedia_and_chronology_of_the_great_world_war_(1919)_(14782093375).jpg: any more specific copyright tag available? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I can add a US tag, but we don't know the photographer, so I don't think there's anything we can do for the country of origin. Parsecboy (talk) 13:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5
That's anything from me Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 19:46, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * of up to 5,080 nautical miles (9,410 km; 5,850 mi) kilometres and miles shouldn't be linked.
 * Fixed
 * casemates in a two-storey arrangement amidships British storey.
 * Fixed
 * she stopped in Venice, Italy, on 7 May and arrived back in Kiel Not sure about this one, here in Europe is the City of Venice popular so we oughtn't need a link to its article. But I'm not sure how the people think about the city over the big gigantic ocean?
 * We can probably get away with de-linking it
 * Wilhelm II in Lisbon suggesting he visit Morocco Same as above. Europeans know some informations about the country. Do Americans know some information about the country?
 * Yeah, that shouldn't be linked
 * While the British ambassador was visiting Tirpitz aboard the ship Do we know who he/she was?
 * Good idea - it was Edward Goschen
 * on a major training cruise into the Atlantic Ocean in early 1908 I can tell you that Atlantic Ocean ougtn't be linked.
 * Indeed
 * Like PM commented the "In media" section should have a citation. Which is a major issue for an AR.
 * Removed as above
 * Hey PM just let you know that our comments are waiting for already a week could you be kindly to adress them. If you do then this nomination is ready for A-class. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 12:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Would have helped if I had watchlisted the review page when I created it ;) Parsecboy (talk) 14:03, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy to see those changes. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello gentlemen could you both confirm you are supporting or not? If you both do then this one is ready to go. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Supporting- Pendright (talk) 20:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Comments & support by Pendright
Lead:
 * She was laid down in August 1901, was launched in June 1902, and was commissioned in December 1903.
 * The word "was" appears three times in this sentence?
 * I've gone back and forth on this so many times over the years, with different people telling my contradictory things, that I've just decided to say screw it and write it the way I want to.
 * Okay, that’s plain enough – just thought you might have liked stretching your vocabulary a bit. Pendright (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


 * After the outbreak of the World War I in July 1914, ...
 * The definite aricle "the" before WWI is unnecessary.
 * Good catch, probably was originally "First World War"


 * She served as the flagship of the cruiser squadron in the Baltic and ...
 * comsider adding Sea after Baltic.
 * Done

Design:
 * ... with steam provided by fourteen coal-fired water-tube boilers.
 * Is it worth mentioning something about steam pressure here?
 * I don't think in the ship article, no - the class article, maybe

Service history:
 * Three days later the ships arrived in Gibraltar, where they met the British Channel Squadron.
 * ... "where they met" - does it have some significance?
 * No doubt they traded salutes and the like, but Hildbrand et. al. don't go into detail about what they did


 * They then proceeded to Naples, Italy by way of Mahón, where on 24 March Wilhelm II transferred to his yacht, Hohenzollern.
 * Consider a comma after Italy.
 * Already done per Peacemaker above.


 * ... followed a similar training routing to that of 1909, ...
 * routing?
 * Huh, I've never noticed that "routing" and "routine" are just one letter apart


 * General comment:
 * There are several references made to the Baltic Sea and the Baltic, referring to it sometimes as the Baltic, another as the Baltic Sea - but jumping back and forth with use.
 * I don't think there's any need to standardize one way or another

Done- Pendright (talk) 05:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Pendright. Parsecboy (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Supporting - Pendright (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)