Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/SMS Kaiser Wilhelm II


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Article promoted. Anotherclown (talk) 00:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

SMS Kaiser Wilhelm II

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)

Another refurbished German pre-dreadnought article, this one was the second fleet flagship, and the first specifically built as a flagship. During WWI, she served primarily as the headquarters for the HSF commanders and was scrapped after the end of the war. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Images - possible to make that map a bit bigger? It's rather hard to read at the moment. File:Koester,_Admiral_Hans_von,_Agence_Rol,_BNF_Gallica.jpg needs a US PD tag. Also, what was the year of death for the creator of File:S.M._Linienschiff_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II.jpg? Nikkimaria (talk) 05:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * How does forcing to 500px look? And the Koester photo was published in 1915 according to the source, so the PD-US-1923 tag seems to be in order. As for Hugo Graf, according to this website he died in 1914. Parsecboy (talk) 16:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Better, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk)
 * "The visit was particularly cool": I don't know what that means.
 * That Anglo-German relations were not at their best. Parsecboy (talk) 00:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I went with "The visit was strained by the Anglo-German naval arms race." - Dank (push to talk) 00:41, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Thanks Dan. Parsecboy (talk) 13:14, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 22:42, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Support with minor comments:
 * "and commissioned into the fleet as flagship on 4 February 1902." - I'd have gone for "and commissioned into the fleet as the flagship on 4 February 1902." (or "as its flagship")
 * Good point - I went with your second suggestion.
 * "The ship was powered by three 3-cylinder vertical triple expansion engines that drove three screws." - "three screw propellers." would make it read easier for the casual reader.
 * Sounds good to me.
 * "at the Kaiserliche Werft in Wilhelmshaven, under construction number 24" - I wasn't quite sure what the last bit meant. Was the ship number 24 in a list? Or was a construction order no. 24, which included the ship? Or is it a place? Hchc2009 (talk) 15:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You know, I've never seen it explained specifically. Parsecboy (talk) 20:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect that it's a yard number. IIRC, Kaiserliche Werft was a pretty new facility when the ship was built.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's unlikely, given that KWW was founded in 1871, and especially so since SMS Kaiser Barbarossa was #640 at Schichau-Werke and they only began building ships in 1855. Parsecboy (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Comments
 * A lot of the comments I made on the SMS Wörth article are relevant here on the infobox and description. It would be very helpful if you'd apply them across the board before bringing them here.
 * Yeah, but then you wouldn't have anything to comment on. Besides, I'm lazy :P But for what it's worth, I did copy the changes from the Wörth infobox to the other articles in the class the other day :P
 * Link armored frigate, corvette, boiler tube.
 * Added the first two, but there's no good link for boiler tube besides water-tube boiler, which is linked above.
 * Landing operation should be linked to amphibious warfare.
 * Good idea.
 * That's a lot of information on training exercises, etc. Can that be condensed somewhat?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I figured I'd get questions at FAC about what the maneuvers were actually like since the article talks a lot about them. I take it you mean bits like "The maneuvers began with exercises in the German Bight, followed by a mock attack on the fortifications in the lower Elbe. Gunnery drills took place in Kiel Bay before the fleet steamed to Danzig Bay;" and "The autumn maneuvers consisted of a blockade exercise in the North Sea, a cruise of the entire fleet first to Norwegian waters and then to Kiel in early September, and finally a mock attack on Kiel."? Parsecboy (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Support Great article, I have nothing to nag about MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing the article MB - and look, it's only taken until 2014 for me to write an article with nothing for you to correct! Parsecboy (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


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